What have your beliefs cost you?

Another question about that... in such a community, are obedience, repentance and salvation (however conceived) also seen as communal? Or are they seen as individual responsibilities and destinies?
Both, individual and communal, as the community supports the individual, and vice versa. "No man is an island", and all that ...

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It's easy to criticise religion, especially if you're not religious, but really it's universal.

Try expressing your political freedom to be a communist in the McCarthy era or the earlier Red Scare era.

Try expressing your rights to determine pregnancy in certain contemporary American circles.

America does seem to have the tendency to push things too, and sometimes beyond, their logical limits.

Asking someone to wear a face-mask is seen as an invasion of civil liberties! In the Far East it's common sense.
 
I have researched that before. They aren't very active around here. There are some in Massachusetts and they only meet during winter. I think there were others meeting in homes a few towns over.

If I remember correctly, there were other things that they believed that I didn't agree with, so I never pursued it.

People are abandoning 'church' these days. The last few I've been to - one Congregational church, etc. had horrible pastors.
The United Church of God - and H. W. Armstrong offshoot (there are a few) is also non-Trinitarian. They have a small house fellowship about 35 miles away in Tilton, NH. I just don't care for the church as it holds to all the OT dietary restrictions, etc. They do have some good info esp. on eschatology. However, I disagree with so many eschatologists these days as they blame everything on 'Rome'.

I also reject todays infatuation with Dispensationalism.
 
The United Church of God - and H. W. Armstrong offshoot (there are a few) is also non-Trinitarian. They have a small house fellowship about 35 miles away in Tilton, NH. I just don't care for the church as it holds to all the OT dietary restrictions, etc. They do have some good info esp. on eschatology. However, I disagree with so many eschatologists these days as they blame everything on 'Rome'.

I also reject todays infatuation with Dispensationalism.
This reference might be a little bit of help Group Directory - Unitarian Christian Alliance
Or this one, if you haven't already seen it Christadelphians in North America
 
The map showed the UU in Concord, NH. I will be visiting there once I get situated here in my new place. The Christadelphians - I remember now. I contacted the fellowship in Goffstown, NH and the guy wasn't very kind at all. Right away after asking about the fellowship he went off on me telling me what is and what is not accepted in his church. They have only a handful of members.

Looks like the Concord, NH UCC is where I'd fit in best.

There is a local UCC nearby that I attended three times. I played 'Wayfaring Strangers' there on harmonica a couple years ago. I just didn't find the place very welcoming. The pastor is a young lady who I kind of liked but it was the other congregants who turned me off. I will visit again sometime. Lots of the UCC churches are hurting on attendance. this one maybe has between 10-20 people max.

 
There are a few in New York State. I don't know where you are.
There are various ones across the country. I think they are more common in the UK and Down Under, interestingly.

There are also Church of God 7th Day, United Church of God, Restored Church of God, really various offshoots of the old Armstrong churches. There are a scattered few others. You could PM me if you want more information.

I had started a thread on Heterodoxy. It didn't really go where I thought it might, but you could look at it and add to it.
There are many threads here about the Trinity and why people agree or disagree with it.
Replying to myself, my last line might not have been clear -
What I mean was there are many threads on this forum containing discussions about the Trinity and whether people agree or disagree and try to explain.
My one thread about Heterodoxy doesn't really get far, but it's there, for what it's worth.
 
The map showed the UU in Concord, NH. I will be visiting there once I get situated here in my new place. The Christadelphians - I remember now. I contacted the fellowship in Goffstown, NH and the guy wasn't very kind at all. Right away after asking about the fellowship he went off on me telling me what is and what is not accepted in his church. They have only a handful of members.

Looks like the Concord, NH UCC is where I'd fit in best.

There is a local UCC nearby that I attended three times. I played 'Wayfaring Strangers' there on harmonica a couple years ago. I just didn't find the place very welcoming. The pastor is a young lady who I kind of liked but it was the other congregants who turned me off. I will visit again sometime. Lots of the UCC churches are hurting on attendance. this one maybe has between 10-20 people max.

It can be hard to find the right place, I know.
 
OP: What have your beliefs cost you?

Nothing (I am an atheist Hindu). Just that I do not believe in Gods/Goddesses, soul, rebirth, heaven and hell. The family is theists. They know my views. They bear with it, I bear with their views. Life goes on.
 
OP: What have your beliefs cost you?

Nothing (I am an atheist Hindu). Just that I do not believe in Gods/Goddesses, soul, rebirth, heaven and hell. The family is theists. They know my views. They bear with it, I bear with their views. Life goes on.
I fully understand. I was friends with a co-worker for 15 years who was Atheist. We often did lunch together. We got along great. I don't call myself a 'Christian' because it associates me with too many people I just don't care for - like John MacArthur and the like. Besides, many 'Christians condemn me for rejecting Trinity. And quite honestly - I can't stand most of them. I really do have a very unfavorable opinion of 'Christians'.
 
I fully understand. I was friends with a co-worker for 15 years who was Atheist. We often did lunch together. We got along great. I don't call myself a 'Christian' because it associates me with too many people I just don't care for - like John MacArthur and the like. Besides, many 'Christians condemn me for rejecting Trinity. And quite honestly - I can't stand most of them. I really do have a very unfavorable opinion of 'Christians'.
While I find this a little relatable, I would point out "Christian" as an identity marker covers a really wide population of people, some with widely varying beliefs and perspectives.
 
I ran across a notebook (years old) where I had written some observations about a radio show I was listening to, where a man was talking about religious belief and struggles he had had earlier in his life in his home country.

He was talking about his encounters with people from various religions in his new country and their take on religion.

I forget the exact context of his remark, but I wrote it down and it stuck with me, I do think of this from time to time:
He noted wanting to ask people, when he discussed these matters with him "But what have your beliefs COST you?" He was thinking of his own experience that of and people he knew having lost jobs or homes or gone to jail or something for their beliefs.

Yes, the idea has stuck with me since then, I think of it periodically and was glad to run across the reference again in my little notebook.

I think sometimes about what some people's beliefs have cost them.

For my grandfather, dietary restrictions, stated by his church to be biblical requirements, were not what he had grown up with nor lived most of his adult life with either, but they became a cost he took on as a result of his beliefs.

Also for my grandfather, I could see that what little harmony he might have had with my grandmother and my mother was compromised by his beliefs.
They were fed up with is rantings about the End Times and played no role in his dietary restrictions and fasting, even scoffed if they were fed up enough with his other antics.

I think all of them not having conventional religious beliefs probably cost them acceptance in a small town at least from some crowds.

For me, the lack of being raised in a conventional church definitely cost me some acceptance in some circles when I was a kid.
And the lack of an easy identity label (like a denomination label) growing up or in college. (As an adult, It was nice to find Unity church and fit in.)

I remember in college my Jewish roommate fasting one day and feeling very aggrieved about how when she went on a walk with some gentile friends, they spontaneously got ice cream in front of her though she could not participate. She was pretty upset with them. She maintained her fast.

A few religions practice ritual fasting, common possibly in some Eastern practices in addition to Judaism, Islam, and a few minority Christian denominations like my grandfather's.

Some denominations require their members to give up dancing, alcohol, tobacco, or even coffee and tea, entirely.

Others in various religions and denominations choose a life of asceticism, or for one reason or another, it is a choice made for them.

But in a country where we have (and hope we continue to have) religious freedom, my beliefs usually haven't incurred more "cost" than sometimes, in some settings, a little awkwardness, some nosy questions, some disapproving looks, a little gossip, a little preaching or evangelizing, or stern efforts at "correction" of my beliefs from those who think they've got it together, (or some limited haranguing online esp when Facebook was new.)

But many people pay a higher cost.

For some, the religious requirements themselves may be restrictive or demanding, or the social milieu one find's oneself in may be filled with people who do not approve of one's theology and want it changed.

Or maybe there are other things I hadn't thought of with this.

For anybody willing to answer:

What have your beliefs cost you?

A lot? A little? Anything?

What have your beliefs cost you?
So for me, I ended up becoming the founder of my own religious beliefs, but because I had originally started out as a Christian in a Christian community, my beliefs costed me all of my friends. I mean, some of my "friends" act like they're still my friend, but at the same time don't, choosing to ignore me at times, but wouldn't do that if I told them I wanted to become a Christian again. I never told most of them about my new religious beliefs though, since that would have very likely resulted in myself being religiously persecuted.

Still, although it's been over 5 years since I started up my religious belief, I've been able to get in contact with people online fairly recently, who show fairly strong interest in my religion. In other words, it sucks that I have to create an entire religious community from scratch, but I believe it will be worthwhile once it finally happens. I age restricted my religion to 18+ though because I wanted a certain level of maturity to be present in my religious community, so that's part of the reason why it's taken so long for my community to take form.

Other than the community factor, my religion is something which has evolved through trial and error (since it was created entirely using philosophical reasoning), so there was a massive amount of effort on my part which was required to develop it to the point it's at now.
 
.. it sucks that I have to create an entire religious community from scratch, but I believe it will be worthwhile once it finally happens.
.. my religion is something which has evolved through trial and error (since it was created entirely using philosophical reasoning), ..
That is your view. Others may differ.
That is unfortunate - no science?
 
That is your view. Others may differ.
That is unfortunate - no science?
My religion doesn't have any conflict with science, but it's created through philosophical reasoning, and philosophy is not science, so I don't really understand what you're getting at given how vague you're being. Some clarification would be nice.
 
My religion doesn't have any conflict with science, but it's created through philosophical reasoning, and philosophy is not science, so I don't really understand what you're getting at given how vague you're being. Some clarification would be nice.
I do not know about your religion or beliefs. I too have my own ways in Hinduism (since I am a strong atheist), but that is strictly for me. I do not need a community. I have no interest in changing the world. That is a futile, utopian exercise. I regularly check my beliefs vis-a-vis science.
 
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