Peace

[talib-al-kalim]

"Es kann der Frömmste nicht in Frieden leben, wenn es dem bösen Nachbarn nicht gefällt." Friedrich Schiller - Wilhelm Tell

Translation:
"The most pious person cannot live in peace if the angry neighbour does not like it."

What is the benefit of liking peace?

What is the benefit of the angry neighbour?

Is it more beneficial in this world to be peaceful or to apply armed force?

Is it possible to win a war? What is the benefit?

Is it possible to win with peace? What is the benefit?

What did religious authorities (prophets, guru, wise) and great philosophers say?

How do you think and feel about it?

 

[TheLightWithin]

I suppose it depends upon WHAT you are trying to win - what you are trying to accomplish and what outcome you seek.

An angry neighbor is more a detriment than a benefit, from the point of view of their neighbor.
What is the angry neighbor angry about? What are their reasons and how good are their reasons?

Being peaceful vs applying armed force - which you might have to do if intruded on and not allowed to be peaceful?

This applies to day to day concepts of individuals wanting to be left alone but being stalked or harassed by someone, for whatever motive.

Brings to mind the concept of "peace through strength" - How strong do you have to be to be left in peace?

 

[muhammad_isa]

What is the benefit of liking peace?

You are more likely to achieve peace for your family and community.

What is the benefit of the angry neighbour?

None .. unless they have good reason for it.

Is it more beneficial in this world to be peaceful or to apply armed force?

..be peaceful .. salam w'alaikum

Is it possible to win a war? What is the benefit?

Yes, it is possible .. but it has no benefit unless it is a 'just war'.
..and therein lies the problem. Who says whether it is just?

Is it possible to win with peace?

I guess it depends on where you live..

What did religious authorities (prophets, guru, wise) and great philosophers say?

Muhammad SAW, told us "Do not become angry", and repeated it many times.
Anger is from satan .. i.e. we will often do what we will regret in future
That is not to say, that controlled anger has no place in life .. but we need to beware.

 

[wil]

If it is to be, it is up to me.

We have a choice how we respond, how we react to any given situation.

I am not the top in my class when it comes to my actions, words and behavior defusing, de-escalating situations. But the choice is always there.

 

[Thomas]

"The most pious person cannot live in peace if the angry neighbour does not like it."

I'd say they can live at peace, but perhaps not in peace, as the 'angry neighbour' will, presumably, make his anger known.

What is the benefit of liking peace?

It's the ideal condition.

What is the benefit of the angry neighbour?

None.

Is it more beneficial in this world to be peaceful or to apply armed force?

Peace.

Is it possible to win a war? What is the benefit?

Yes. The cessation of a given injustice.

Is it possible to win with peace? What is the benefit?

Yes. Ditto.

What did religious authorities (prophets, guru, wise) and great philosophers say?

Peace?

How do you think and feel about it?

As an ideal ... in a far-from ideal world.

 

[EricPH]

I have been a Street Pastor since 2008. When we go out, we patrol the streets of our town until three or four in the morning. Before we start our shifts, we ask God to place in our path the people he needs us to see. When we meet challenging situations, we ask God to help us with the words and actions to do his will. Once the needs of the night have been placed in God’s hands, I don’t have any worries about what we might encounter. I can only say that in seventeen years, I have always experienced a profound sense of peace, one that surpasses all my understanding.

Everyone we meet at night is first loved by God. If God loves everyone, we too should love them. This understanding helps me to search for kinder solutions to all the drunken and violent horrors; we have intervened in during the night. We listen, care and help where we can.

People might have issues with Christianity, but they consistently thank us for our volunteering and care. We have been told that we change people’s lives. We touch the hearts and minds of the people we meet.

 

[Craz]

I have been a Street Pastor since 2008. When we go out, we patrol the streets of our town until three or four in the morning. Before we start our shifts, we ask God to place in our path the people he needs us to see. When we meet challenging situations, we ask God to help us with the words and actions to do his will. Once the needs of the night have been placed in God’s hands, I don’t have any worries about what we might encounter. I can only say that in seventeen years, I have always experienced a profound sense of peace, one that surpasses all my understanding.

Everyone we meet at night is first loved by God. If God loves everyone, we too should love them. This understanding helps me to search for kinder solutions to all the drunken and violent horrors; we have intervened in during the night. We listen, care and help where we can.

People might have issues with Christianity, but they consistently thank us for our volunteering and care. We have been told that we change people’s lives. We touch the hearts and minds of the people we meet.

I remember The Jesus Army in the 1970s-80s rescuing many troubled people with only using words, no rough stuff.
Unfortunately, it appears the organisation was closed down (in 2019) due to abuse-allegations against the founder and others.

Jesus Army - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[iBrian]

"The most pious person cannot live in peace if the angry neighbour does not like it."

Yes, they can:

Important to separate political posturing from spiritual reality.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

"Es kann der Frömmste nicht in Frieden leben, wenn es dem bösen Nachbarn nicht gefällt."

Unsinn. Es kommt der Frömmste nicht in Frieden, sollange er noch nicht-wissend tut.

Selbst wahre Frommheit hat stets Weisheit, wie die Dinge aufkommen, vergehen, als Ursache.

So also: Friedlos jener, der nicht "aufgewacht'.

Yes, they can

What a fart...

 

[talib-al-kalim]

Unsinn. Es kommt der Frömmste nicht in Frieden, sollange er noch nicht-wissend tut.

Selbst wahre Frommheit hat stets Weisheit, wie die Dinge aufkommen, vergehen, als Ursache.

So also: Friedlos jener, der nicht "aufgewacht '

That is

Nonsense. The most pious person will never find peace as long as he acts ignorantly.

Even true piety always has wisdom, how things arise and pass away, as its cause.

So then: He who hasn't "awakened" is without peace.

Your answer seems to have a Theravada background, focusing on inner peace.
Inner peace would in most cases contribute to better relationship in your direct environment.
I wanted to focus this thread on about outer peace, in the personal environment and globally/politically.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

I wanted to focus this thread on about outer peace, in the personal environment and globally/politically.

What one seeks what one goes for, what one gives (has given), one "earns".
Things have mind, thought, intentions as their origin, and like the cart follows the ox, one is either followed by good or bad gifts, deeds.
How could there even some relative peace globally, given that full of wrong view.

But even if gaining highest worldly peace, which actually means just that one isn't in trouble to gain and enjoy sensuality as desired, such isn't lasting, since conditioned and depending on others or previous sacrifices.

Understanding on what conditions peace, of which is right resolve, one leads a virtuous life desiring escape from the wheel of aging, sickness, seperation and death.

Who ever holds on of what's subject to decay, what can't be under one's control, will nothing but find suffering. Therefore the wise makes himself "an island", relaying on own goodness and the truth, for higher peace and beyond.

Good householder, don't seek peace where there isn't peace to be found. Knowing that senses and their objects aren't real, steady burn, one can develop proper attention to gain insight into reality by oneself, so then headed to peacel, having uprooted all desires in the world.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

What is the benefit of liking peace?

That one might start to search and ask wise of how it can be gained and maintained.

What is the benefit of the angry neighbour?

That one who knows that beings are heir of their actions develops disenchantment toward outwardly gains .

Is it more beneficial in this world to be peaceful or to apply armed force?

Peace can never be forced, but one would have the freedom to give freedom and peace, yet only if not relaying or seeking of what countell other being hold or desire.

Is it possible to win a war? What is the benefit?

It's possible to win over oneself, possible to kill anger within, of which is the only proper to kill, it's possible to uproot desire and craving and live, of which are the roots of it. It's possible to win that hard to fight battle and gain, heavens, higher peace and beyond.
This battle leads to the deathless, to an end of burden and sacrifices.

Is it possible to win with peace? What is the benefit?

It's possible to overcome hostility by non hostility, taking by non-taking, lies by truth, immoral by virtue, greed by generosity. It's possible to go after ones tasks for peace instead to do the wrong and call for rights and demands.
The benefit of virtue is freedom from conscious, freedom from conscious (remorselessness) leads to joy (with oneself), joy to gain satisfaction, saturated one becomes calm, calm condition heal, heal lets concentration arise, concentration leads to seeing of how things arise and decay, gained this wisdom on grows disenchanted, disenchanted nondesire arises, noncraving gis cause of release, ained release, knowlege of release arises.

So in short: virtue and goodness are developed for the sake of heal, wealth and at least for freedom and peace.

What did religious authorities (prophets, guru, wise) and great philosophers say?

The teachings about the reason of unease, it's cause, it's ending, and the path toward ease, or only found in the heritage of the Sublime Gems, having the Sublime Buddha as their leader. Nowhere else can the Noble path be found.