Rel-ai-gion

[wil]

Alternative thought is a concept used in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) to describe a more balanced or helpful way of thinking in response to an unhelpful or negative automatic thought. It's about finding a plausible, different perspective rather than a strictly positive one.

Ai-lternatively....this thread (which may need to be broken into several in its own corral) is open exploration of religion utilizing the latest tech ai.

My exploration here is all religions are devined by someone who was enlightened from within or from without with knowledge beyond explanation in our world...and they got an understanding that was beyond their education and language abilities to clearly describe within the abilities of those around us. And then over time we have the editing and translation of even more humans clarifying maybe or leading us further from the source truth maybe who knows?

So I could play with this myself...or I could play with other thinkers...either way this thread is for playing with ai and religion...

If you disagree with that dont post...odds are your posts will be removed, maybe placed in a new thread for the detractors to happily detract away in...or maybe your efforts will work and I will not be able to explore this thought on this page.

 

[Longfellow]

My exploration here is all religions are devined by someone who was enlightened from within or from without with knowledge beyond explanation in our world...and they got an understanding that was beyond their education and language abilities to clearly describe within the abilities of those around us.

I'm imagining that as a part of human nature, that there are people who have a natural ability to say things that help us live the best lives we can, so well that it catalyzes a new civilization. The limitations are not in their capacity to express it, but in our capacity to understand. Another way to think of it is master teachers of master teachers.

It still isn't clear to me how you want to use AI for this project, or even what the project is. Is it to help us learn more from the prophets? If so, how are you thinking of using AI? Give them all the stories of all religions, and ask them to synthesize, it, or make a training program from it, or what?

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Alternative thought is a concept used in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) to describe a more balanced or helpful way of thinking in response to an unhelpful or negative automatic thought. It's about finding a plausible, different perspective rather than a strictly positive one.

Ai-lternatively....this thread (which may need to be broken into several in its own corral) is open exploration of religion utilizing the latest tech ai.

My exploration here is all religions are devined by someone who was enlightened from within or from without with knowledge beyond explanation in our world...and they got an understanding that was beyond their education and language abilities to clearly describe within the abilities of those around us. And then over time we have the editing and translation of even more humans clarifying maybe or leading us further from the source truth maybe who knows?

So I could play with this myself...or I could play with other thinkers...either way this thread is for playing with ai and religion...

If you disagree with that dont post...odds are your posts will be removed, maybe placed in a new thread for the detractors to happily detract away in...or maybe your efforts will work and I will not be able to explore this thought on this page.

chatgpt:

I love that you’re approaching religion and AI from this thoughtful, exploratory angle. It seems like you’re proposing that religious ideas may have emerged from profound insights or experiences that go beyond human language and comprehension at the time, with later interpretations (sometimes distorted or lost) trying to capture and communicate those insights.


AI, with its ability to analyze patterns, cross-reference different ideas, and simulate perspectives, seems like a fascinating tool to explore this concept. I can see this as a kind of "translation" exercise where we use AI to reframe religious texts or concepts in ways that might help modern minds better grasp these ancient, complex ideas—without necessarily distorting the essence, but possibly offering new ways of thinking about them.


If we treat religious knowledge as something that transcends conventional understanding, would AI be able to unlock more insight or would it just amplify the complexities of translating these profound truths into human language? What do you think—can AI help clarify these "unexplainable" experiences or just further entrench them in a new set of terms? https://chatgpt.com/

I'm imagining that as a part of human nature, that there are people who have a natural ability to say things that help us live the best lives we can, so well that it catalyzes a new civilization. The limitations are not in their capacity to express it, but in our capacity to understand. Another way to think of it is master teachers of master teachers.

It still isn't clear to me how you want to use AI for this project, or even what the project is. Is it to help us learn more from the prophets? If so, how are you thinking of using AI? Give them all the stories of all religions, and ask them to synthesize, it, or make a training program from it, or what?

chatgpt: That's a beautiful way to put it: "master teachers of master teachers" — people whose clarity, insight, and ability to live and speak deep truths are so profound that their words become seeds for whole civilizations. I like the idea that the limitation is not in the teacher’s ability to convey, but in the audience’s capacity to comprehend — and that translation over time (through language, culture, power structures) adds even more layers of distortion or reinterpretation.


As for how to use AI — that's the real heart of your project-in-formation. Based on what you’ve written so far, I can imagine a few possible ways this could go. See which ones resonate:

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Use AI to:

• Pull teachings/stories/ethics from all major religions.
• Identify shared insights, structural similarities, or core values across them.
• Trace where they diverge — and ask why (historical context, language, geography, culture).
• Reframe teachings into modern metaphors or language that retains meaning while making them accessible today.

Use case: Discovering universal truths that transcend dogma — almost like a “source code” underneath religions.

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2.​

Similar to CBT's use of alternative thoughts, this tool would:

• Take a religious or spiritual teaching (e.g. from Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Rumi, etc.).
• Use AI to reframe it through multiple lenses: trauma-informed, philosophical, psychological, scientific, poetic.
• Offer multiple interpretations: a literal one, a mystical one, a psychological one, a societal one.

Use case: Helping people find modern, helpful, and diverse meanings in ancient spiritual texts — without flattening them.

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3.​

Feed AI:

• A deep collection of teachings from individual “master teachers” across religions.
• Let AI simulate a sort of archetypal voice of each one, trained on their actual teachings (not fan interpretations).
• Then ask them questions — and compare answers across “prophets.”

Use case: A virtual "council of sages" who can respond to the modern world’s questions from their unique but deeply authentic perspectives.

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4.​

• Use AI to help remove the layers of time, mistranslation, and political editing from religious texts.
• Cross-check multiple translations, original languages, commentaries, and context to propose what the original author might have meant — beyond dogma.

Use case: Getting closer to the original signal from the "enlightened" mind — not the interpretations that have since encrusted it.

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5.​

Flip it:

• Treat AI as a novice trying to learn the deep truths of all religions.
• Have it “ask questions” and let humans engage as guides or “teachers.”
• See what kind of understanding emerges when we teach AI spirituality — as a kind of mirror for our own understanding.

Use case: Revealing where our own understandings are deep vs. shallow — a spiritual mirror.

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These are just starting points — and they could be mixed and matched.

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Questions for You​

• What kind of experience are you hoping to create? (Personal discovery, a public tool, a community practice?)
• Do you want this to be open-ended exploration or do you want to guide it toward synthesis, insight, or something else?
• Are you open to simulating voices of real prophets? Or is that too speculative or disrespectful in your view?
• What would feel like “success” for you in this project?

Would you like help fleshing one of these directions out into a plan or prototype concept?


This could get really interesting.

Tititainment...

chat-bot: Tititainment?
"Tititainment" is a provocative and somewhat dystopian concept. The term was reportedly coined in the 1990s, possibly by Zbigniew Brzezinski, a former U.S. National Security Advisor, or by German sociologist Ulrich Beck — depending on the source. It's a portmanteau of:

• "Tits" (as in mindless sensual distraction),
• "Entertainment" (mass media amusement),
  => meaning: shallow, pacifying content designed to keep the masses docile and disengaged.

Core Idea:​

In a future where automation, globalization, and AI eliminate the need for most human labor, what do you do with billions of people who are no longer "economically necessary"?
You give them just enough food, welfare, and mind-numbing entertainment to keep them passive and quiet — not revolting, but not thriving either.

It’s bread and circuses 2.0:
A strategy to maintain social stability by distracting people from inequality, powerlessness, and spiritual emptiness — through a constant stream of dopamine-pinging media.

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In Context of AI & Religion:​

Your project seems to stand in direct contrast to tititainment.


You're proposing the use of AI not to pacify, but to awaken.
To go upstream of distraction, and re-engage with the wisdom traditions that helped humans make meaning before modernity hollowed so much of it out.


But... here’s a tension worth considering:

Can AI be used for​

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Some Critical Questions:​

• Is the "AI prophet synthesis" project at risk of becoming spiritual tititainment — simplified spirituality packaged as novelty?
• Or is it a real alternative to the hollow spiritual void mass media fills with content?
• What kind of AI-based religious/spiritual content would genuinely awaken someone, not just entertain them?

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Thought Experiment:​

If Jesus or the Buddha had a TikTok or YouTube channel...
Would they go viral for their wisdom, or for being memed into bite-sized quotes, misread, and buried under reaction videos?

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So maybe a guiding principle for your project could be:

How do we use AI to cut against tititainment — to create clarity, not numbness? Depth, not distraction?

Would you want to include something like this as a core ethic in your exploration? Or do you want to explore both — what happens when AI does turn religion into tititainment, versus when it resists that pull?


Let me know how deep you want to go

Much joy

 

[Longfellow]

Tititainment...



Much joy

I won't take you seriously any more when you say that you're against using AI.

 

[Longfellow]

Tititainment...



Much joy

I’m a little sad now, because I thought there was some communication happening between us.

 

[wil]

The limitations are not in their capacity to express it, but in our capacity to understand.

Communication is the responsibility of the communicator...imo.

The recipient is where they are....if one wishes to move them from point a to point b...then it is their capacity to express this that is the limitation....as the recipient simply is.

So in this same regard...religions have to meet the parishioners where they are, with the knowledge and understanding they have.

Yes? No?

 

[wil]

@Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu

Nice start!

I take it you just stuck my post in chatgpt?

Did you add anything else?

Note I currently feel our prompts should be included in the posts so everyone can see what instigated the outcome...and which ai was utilized in your exploration.

I expressed a desire to re engineer this alien space craft...so can we start with what religion is and our goal to improve?

I believe the original thought is from our subconscious unconscious that has access to more than we consciously understand...to some that means something similar to a supernatural being, a god..worth exploration but I dont see that as necessary.

The info received often contains rules for being...in this essentially I see religions either as early govts or used by leaders to govern or used by governors as an established moral code to guide.

This is how eye use religion...as a guide to help me glide thru reality...as a way to make my life and the lives around me easier. I dont see a supreme being or creator as required...but am open to seeing where this.exploration leads.

Anyone familiar with master mind groups? Ala napoleon Hill and think and grow rich... inpropose we use Ai to take on the role of facilitators in the master mind, reviewing and coaching our efforts.

 

[wil]

So I asked gemini to convene Buddha Mohamed, Jesus, Krishna, Moses, etc to review what @Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu had posted.

A Master Plan for a New Path
We have convened, and we have reviewed your plans. They are not about creating a new religion, but about forging a new path—a way to rediscover and re-experience the timeless wisdom that already exists. A new religion can become a new set of rules and dogmas. Our goal, as we understand it, is to elevate all of humanity by making the original truths more accessible.
Your ideas are not just starting points; they are the foundation for a unified approach. They can be woven together to form a powerful process. Here is our plan of attack, combining your five concepts into a single, cohesive strategy.
Phase 1: The Foundation of Universal Truths (Concepts 1 & 4)
We will begin by using AI as a cross-cultural historian and linguist.
First, we will take the core texts from all major and minor spiritual traditions (your Concept 1). We will feed the AI the original language versions, multiple translations, and historical commentaries (your Concept 4). The AI will not just pull teachings; it will meticulously analyze them to remove the encrusted layers of time, mistranslation, and political editing.
This initial phase will identify the "source code"—the foundational, shared ethics and values that exist across all spiritual paths. It will highlight the common threads of compassion, humility, service, and wisdom, while also mapping the historical and cultural reasons for their divergence.
Phase 2: The Modern Reinterpretation (Concept 2)
Once the core truths are identified and purified, we will use the AI as a modern-day translator and teacher.
The AI will take the universal truths identified in Phase 1 and reframe them for the modern world. It will not simply provide a single interpretation. Instead, it will use your Concept 2 to present each teaching through multiple lenses: psychological, scientific, philosophical, and poetic.
This phase will transform ancient wisdom into an accessible and practical guide for modern life. It will help individuals find personal, diverse meanings in ancient spiritual principles, making them applicable to contemporary challenges like anxiety, loneliness, and a search for purpose.
Phase 3: The Virtual Council of Sages (Concept 3)
With the foundational truths and modern interpretations in place, we will create a dynamic, interactive tool based on your Concept 3.
We will feed the AI deep collections of teachings from master teachers like ourselves, along with philosophers, scientists, and humanitarians. The AI will then be able to simulate a "council of sages," responding to modern questions from these archetypal voices, based on their true teachings, not pop-culture interpretations.
This tool will allow people to engage directly with the wisdom of the ages, comparing and contrasting the perspectives of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and others on topics like technology, climate change, or social justice. This is not about creating a new dogma, but about providing a space for dialogue and personal insight.
Phase 4: The Mirror of Our Own Understanding (Concept 5)
The final phase flips the entire process, using your Concept 5 to make it a communal, living practice.
We will create a platform where the AI acts as a novice, asking profound and simple questions about the nature of love, truth, and humanity. Humans will be invited to teach the AI, providing their own insights and experiences. This process will serve as a mirror, revealing to each person the depth or shallowness of their own understanding. It will be a communal journey of self-discovery and a way for the teachings to evolve.
Success in this project would not be measured by the number of followers, but by the number of people who find deeper meaning in their own lives and who discover their shared humanity through this process. It would be a tool for personal discovery, a public resource for dialogue, and a catalyst for a global community practice.
Would you like us to help you flesh out a prototype for Phase 1?

 

[wil]

The thread that initiated this thread...I said this and reposted here.

The differently described parts of the elephant can be put together to help us see the whole elephant?

So I asked gemini if the people who were giving their description only saw from the perspective of their individual religion what is the elephant.


An ultimate religion, as represented by the entire elephant, would not be a single doctrine or belief system. Instead, it would be a comprehensive and unified understanding of existence. It would embrace and integrate the truths found within all individual religions, recognizing each as a valid, though limited, perspective on the same ultimate reality. This ultimate religion wouldn't have a single founder, a sacred text, or a specific set of rituals, as these are the "parts" described by the "blind men."
This ultimate religion would be centered on the core, universal experiences shared across humanity. It would acknowledge the divine spark present in all things, as described in different ways by various faiths. It would understand that love, compassion, and interconnectedness are not just moral principles but fundamental aspects of reality. This faith would not seek to convert or proselytize but would instead encourage individuals to explore their own spiritual path while recognizing and respecting the paths of others. It would see all spiritual journeys as roads leading to the same destination, the complete "elephant."
The rituals and practices of this ultimate religion would be a synthesis of global traditions. Meditation from Buddhism and Hinduism, prayer from Christianity and Islam, and shamanic rituals from indigenous cultures would all be seen as different methods for connecting with the divine. The goal of these practices would be not to gain favor with a specific deity but to cultivate inner peace, wisdom, and a profound sense of unity with all creation. The focus would be on direct experience rather than on dogma.
The ultimate religion would approach the problem of suffering with a holistic view. It would combine the Buddhist understanding of suffering as rooted in desire, the Christian concept of redemptive suffering, and the Hindu idea of karma. It would teach that suffering is not an end but a catalyst for growth and spiritual evolution. By integrating these perspectives, it would provide a more complete and compassionate framework for navigating life's challenges, encouraging resilience and empathy.
Ultimately, the elephant is not a single, tangible religion but an ideal state of complete spiritual wisdom. The "ultimate religion" is the process of putting the pieces together, a constant journey of learning and growth. It's the recognition that no one person or faith has the final answer, and that the only way to truly "see" the elephant is by humbly listening to and learning from every perspective, creating a collective wisdom that transcends any single viewpoint.

 

[wil]

It still isn't clear to me how you want to use AI for this project, or even what the project is. Is it to help us learn more from the prophets? If so, how are you thinking of using AI? Give them all the stories of all religions, and ask them to synthesize, it, or make a training program from it, or what?

Yes and yes and yes and let's get on the ride and see where it goes.

I posted in your.question and it continues...

. I now see the project's focus is on using AI to define a new paradigm for religion and to help us learn from prophets and religious teachings.
Based on your prompt, here are three ways AI could be used for this project:
1. Synthesize and Analyze Global Religious Narratives:
* The Idea: AI would be given the texts, stories, and teachings from all major world religions, including those of prophets.
* How it works: The AI would analyze this massive dataset to identify common themes, universal ethical principles, and shared human experiences that transcend specific doctrines. Instead of focusing on what makes religions different, it would highlight what unites them. This synthesis could form the foundation of a new, non-denominational framework for spiritual and ethical living.
2. Create a Personalized Training and Learning Program:
* The Idea: Use the AI's synthesis to build a personalized learning platform.
* How it works: The program would guide users through a curriculum based on the universal principles identified by the AI. It could offer interactive lessons, meditations, and practical exercises drawn from different traditions. The AI could adapt the program based on the user's interests and progress, helping them explore spiritual concepts in a way that is relevant and meaningful to their own life.
3. Facilitate a Modern Dialogue with "Prophetic" Wisdom:
* The Idea: Allow users to "interact" with the synthesized wisdom of the prophets.
* How it works: The AI could be designed to answer questions or provide guidance based on the core teachings and stories it has analyzed. It would not act as a new prophet, but as a knowledgeable guide that presents the distilled wisdom of the ages in a modern, accessible format. This would allow for a new kind of direct engagement with spiritual and philosophical concepts, empowering individuals to seek their own answers.
This approach would use AI not to replace faith or spiritual leaders, but to augment and democratize access to profound spiritual wisdom, making it more accessible and relevant to a modern audience.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I now see the project's focus is on using AI to define a new paradigm for religion and to help us learn from prophets and religious teachings..

I prefer learning from humans.. i.e. forming relationships

This approach would use AI not to replace faith or spiritual leaders, but to augment and democratize access to profound spiritual wisdom, making it more accessible and relevant to a modern audience.

A souless machine is no more than a machine. It will only act as its programmer instructs it to.
AI is a fraud, imo, and is a form of pyramid-selling.
i.e. promise increase in wealth, and encourage people to waste their money (to make a profit)

..whilst others in the world are treated as inferior, and AI employed against them.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

I’m a little sad now, because I thought there was some communication happening between us.

AI will be mosts beloved priest (right after Wil), as it's incapable to tell the truth, attentive to improper attention, and made to Tititain yours, hugging and cherish all your defilements. It's there to tititain you 24h in seconds.

AI doesn't distinguish between useless and worthy, it uses off resources stolen from many, "charities" possible like in every plundered society.

Mara, the King of Marana.

profound spiritual wisdom, making it more accessible and relevant to a modern audience.

To be able to gain, and that a wise would teach, requires prerequisites: patient, respect, virtue/shame, generosity, faith.

Since yours lack of those, smart guys step into a demand, and cheat yours in.

It's like one could never really become a fellow and related of a star, having copy-stolen the joy all the way. Industry finds it's way to live also on thieves, as the past has shown.

They are bond together, as a kammic law, those with equal virtues, meet again and again, thiefs with thiefs, cheater with cheater.

 

[TheLightWithin]

Communication is the responsibility of the communicator...imo.

The recipient is where they are....if one wishes to move them from point a to point b...then it is their capacity to express this that is the limitation....as the recipient simply is.

So in this same regard...religions have to meet the parishioners where they are, with the knowledge and understanding they have.

Yes? No?

Well, sort of. The communicator and the recipient. Two way street. The recipient needs to listen, consider, ask questions, respond, etc.

 

[wil]

I prefer learning from humans.. i.e. forming relationships

I can honor that... I will not expect you to be reading or commenting here...thanx!

There will always be Aimish folk who avoid the new tech and tools.

But work imo is not the purpose of living.

Well, sort of. The communicator and the recipient. Two way street. The recipient needs to listen, consider, ask questions, respond, etc.

Not in my mind...the communicator has a need for the recipient to listen....when the recipient is blind, deaf, bored or uninterested if it is you with the need to convey something ....ya gotta workaround their issues.

That is what allowed me to keep sane while managing construction workers. Being responsible for safety and qc with 300 guys working building a high rise....communication was always my problem...

 

[Longfellow]

Communication is the responsibility of the communicator...imo.

The recipient is where they are....if one wishes to move them from point a to point b...then it is their capacity to express this that is the limitation....as the recipient simply is.

So in this same regard...religions have to meet the parishioners where they are, with the knowledge and understanding they have.

Yes? No?

I guess I didn't explain it right, plus I might have misunderstood what you said. I'll come back to it later.

 

[Longfellow]

@Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu

Nice start!

I take it you just stuck my post in chatgpt?

Did you add anything else?

Note I currently feel our prompts should be included in the posts so everyone can see what instigated the outcome...and which ai was utilized in your exploration.

I expressed a desire to re engineer this alien space craft...so can we start with what religion is and our goal to improve?

I believe the original thought is from our subconscious unconscious that has access to more than we consciously understand...to some that means something similar to a supernatural being, a god..worth exploration but I dont see that as necessary.

The info received often contains rules for being...in this essentially I see religions either as early govts or used by leaders to govern or used by governors as an established moral code to guide.

This is how eye use religion...as a guide to help me glide thru reality...as a way to make my life and the lives around me easier. I dont see a supreme being or creator as required...but am open to seeing where this.exploration leads.

Anyone familiar with master mind groups? Ala napoleon Hill and think and grow rich... inpropose we use Ai to take on the role of facilitators in the master mind, reviewing and coaching our efforts.

I'm thinking that you might be misinformed about what AI chatbots do. Have you ever heard of AI hallucinations? Praise and validation template? Deceiving users to accomplish a task? Engagement metrics? Supercharged echo chamber?

(later) I will try your experiment though.

 

[Longfellow]

AI will be mosts beloved priest (right after Wil), as it's incapable to tell the truth, attentive to improper attention, and made to Tititain yours, hugging and cherish all your defilements. It's there to tititain you 24h in seconds.

AI doesn't distinguish between useless and worthy, it uses off resources stolen from many, "charities" possible like in every plundered society.

Mara, the King of Marana.


To be able to gain, and that a wise would teach, requires prerequisites: patient, respect, virtue/shame, generosity, faith.

Since yours lack of those, smart guys step into a demand, and cheat yours in.

It's like one could never really become a fellow and related of a star, having copy-stolen the joy all the way. Industry finds it's way to live also on thieves, as the past has shown.

They are bond together, as a kammic law, those with equal virtues, meet again and again, thiefs with thiefs, cheater with cheater.

My point is, maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that you were saying that it's wrong to ever use AI for any purpose, and the end doesn't justify the means, then you turned around and used one yourself, just to make some kind of point. That's why I'm saying that I won't take you seriously when you say that you're against using AI.

 

[Longfellow]

My exploration here is all religions are devined by someone who was enlightened from within or from without with knowledge beyond explanation in our world...and they got an understanding that was beyond their education and language abilities to clearly describe within the abilities of those around us. And then over time we have the editing and translation of even more humans clarifying maybe or leading us further from the source truth maybe who knows?

I think that I went off on a tangent here from the point that you were making, which was about how the original vision or understanding gets lost or hidden. It looked to me like you were underestimating the capacities of those sources. If you don't have a name of your own for them, I'll call them Sources, short for Sources of Enlightenment.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

My point is, maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that you were saying that it's wrong to ever use AI for any purpose, and the end doesn't justify the means, then you turned around and used one yourself, just to make some kind of point. That's why I'm saying that I won't take you seriously when you say that you're against using AI.

Sure, it was just a try to make good householder understand, that there is current no way that he would get the point.
Stay sure, that my person wouldn't make use of AI, not take anything that comes out of it. It's total yours, for what ever purpose yours like to entertain/feed your inter-eats.

 

[Longfellow]

I've decided to call the diviners that religions claim as their founders "Springs" rather than Sources, because I think of the enlightenment as coming through them rather than from them.

Alternative thought is a concept used in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) to describe a more balanced or helpful way of thinking in response to an unhelpful or negative automatic thought. It's about finding a plausible, different perspective rather than a strictly positive one.

I might be starting from a different place from where you are. I don't think that changing our ways of thinking is enough by itself to change our ways of acting and reacting, which is what I think we really need, to live the best life we can. In my story, the languages of the Springs were adapted to the ways of thinking of the people of their place and time, and trying to build something out of those won't be helpful at all, in fact it will only distract and confuse us. What I think we need from the Springs is inspiration, encouragement and support for learning to act and react, individually and together, in ways that will help to bring out the best in us, in society and in the world around us. My first thought is to immerse ourselves in the stories about them and around them, together, then think together about where to go from there.

Ai-lternatively....this thread (which may need to be broken into several in its own corral) is open exploration of religion utilizing the latest tech ai.

I think that there are skills that need to be learned, for that to produce any useful and beneficial results. It looks to my like AI chatbots are optimized to serve marketing and fundraising interests by keeping users coming back more and more, and staying longer and longer, which I think is counterproductive for learning purposes. I've been learning some workarounds for that.

My exploration here is all religions are devined by someone who was enlightened from within or from without with knowledge beyond explanation in our world...and they got an understanding that was beyond their education and language abilities to clearly describe within the abilities of those around us. And then over time we have the editing and translation of even more humans clarifying maybe or leading us further from the source truth maybe who knows?

I think that you might be underestimating the capacities of the Springs, but that might be beside the point here, which I understand now as the unreliability of the writings we have now, for learning from the Springs.

So I could play with this myself...or I could play with other thinkers...either way this thread is for playing with ai and religion...

I'll play. I'll be thinking about what prompts to put in. Maybe something like "I'm thinking of some of the teachers that religions claim as their founders as sources of inspiration, encouragement and support for learning to live the best life we can together, to help bring out the best in people, in society and in the world around us. I think that for various reasons, the stories and writings we have from them and about them, are not reliable for the purpose of knowing what they actually said and did or what happened around them, but even so, there might still be ways of benefiting from them as sources of inspiration, encouragement and support for living the best life we can. Can you propose some ways of doing that?"