Do we have a spirit and, if so, what role does it play in our relationship with God?

otherbrother said:
If God or Brahman or Ultimate Reality is the finest (most refined, small) thing in all of existence ...
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But that's not any definition of what God or Brahman or Ultimate Reality is, though? Nor is it a viable analogy.

God, Brahman, Ultimate Being, what have you, is tagged in the Christian Philosophical West with the prefix "beyond-", so the Source of all being, and the ground of all being, but Itself beyond-being. The Source of all mind, and the ground of all mind, but Itself beyond-mind.

otherbrother said:
And introverted thinkers who are using that advantage .... Extroverted thinkers would conceive is as traditional Christianity seems to conceive it, “ours” or “His.”
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LOL, I think that's a stereotype and could be conceived as 'casual religionism'.
 
otherbrother said:
In terms of energy, I would assume the electromagnetic concept of “higher frequency” energy would be “finer” than lower frequency energy. This would fit with some spiritual thinkers who speak of higher frequency energy as being associated with higher consciousness.
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I don't know who you're thinking of ... but I'd hazard they are wrong, or at best misunderstood.

Frequency is a property of material states. The Quantum World is still very much in and part of the material realm. It's not the psychic, nor the imaginal, nor the spiritual.

The 'frequency' thing came in with New Age thought, based on the ideas of 'up and down', 'higher and lower', and so the metaphor was put to work way beyond its boundaries. (Eventually you end up with some order of pseudo-spiritual elitism – eg 'higher frequency people' are more spiritual than 'lower frequency people'.)

High frequencies are faster than lower frequencies, so there's more going on, whereas the One is Stillness, so logically the higher frequencies are 'further away' from the One than the lower.

And, of course, the flatline state is clearly closer to Stillness than the lowest low frequency ... but then there is one significant issue with that.
 
otherbrother said:
But I also can see the advantage of just opening up psychologically to something deep inside of us like a substrate of reality. It doesn’t have the baggage that a relationship (which involves a you and me, duality) can have. God for warmth but substrate for the effectiveness and proficiency that living in a physical realm requires.
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I'm not sure if you've got that the wrong way round.

Living in the physical realm requires a number of things, but living in the spiritual realm requires one thing only: Love. And that is all about relationship, as in how we relate ... That 'opening up' is on a personal level, because that is what we are – persons.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Yeah, people say God is a crutch. Many people need it.
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I need someone to thank, even more than I need someone to help. The former is bringing wholeness (Brahman) to humanity. The latter is more like a crutch, not bad unless depended on too much.
Hey, I had more evidence supporting my (and New Age’s) theory of individual spirit reentering human body each night before waking up.
Jet hovering upside down near ground in front of prison observation room/building. Playful, skillful, graceful. As it landed, it morphed into a beloved pet who brought me to tears of love and affection.
Contrast to night before when another driver of the van I was in drove down into an abyss, leaving me to wake up in fright. Not surprisingly, I was emotionally “off” that morning. Emotionally “on”, this morning.
How smoothly the reentry goes sets the tone for how well the spiritual side of me (or companion within me) is able to assist (during wake state) me with utilizing wholeness and its fruits .
Of course the experiment is tainted by the fact that my theory itself could be shaping my dreams. I might be dramatizing a story theme that I’m “sticking to” (as in the joke, “That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!”).
 
otherbrother said:
But my God can’t be your God

and your God can’t be my God.
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In retrospect, not under the strange (and apparently illogical) glow of the dream I had just woken from, I think my mind or spirit was pointing out the need for an individualized connection with Ultimate Reality or God. My individual spirit is my close up “face” of God, the representative of collective and/or universal God. Not surprising that a former psychologist would have an insight along those lines. Appropriate empowerment and encouragement to be proactive is therapeutic.
 
otherbrother said:
I need someone to thank, even more than I need someone to help. The former is bringing wholeness (Brahman) to humanity. The latter is more like a crutch, not bad unless depended on too much.
“That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!”.
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:) You are most welcome to stick to your story.
Not just to humanity, but also to what we term as animal (forgetting that we too are that), vegetation and non-living substances.
No differentiation when it comes to Brahman.
otherbrother said:
Appropriate empowerment and encouragement to be proactive is therapeutic.
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Won't be appropriate if what is fed is superstition. It may backfire. Psychologists need a better way to handle such situations.
 
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