Identity, individuality

[Aupmanyav]

The effects of Christianity and Islam on civilisation world-wide cannot be denied.
I highly doubt whether this happened by accident.

Clearly, the underlying philosophies are not insignificant, and neither was Judaism as their forerunners.
..and then we have Zoroastrianism, along similar lines, more than 3000 years ago.

Thank Constantine and the Jews of Medina. Accidents. I think you are using many kinds of fallacies.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Thank Constantine..

He was a Roman emperor .. a lot happened before he came along.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't think so.

 

[TheLightWithin]

Open-minded does not mean believing. it means 'not rejecting it out-right'.
Believing if evidence is available. otherwise rejecting it.

Or - believing if evidence is available. But otherwise - In the absence of evidence you can reject the premise, leave the question open, or backburner the discussion

 

[TheLightWithin]

..so you put your trust in mankind ..

That's who's on hand

that they have "all the answers".

who has all the answers? all which answers? to which questions? who said?

 

[TheLightWithin]

I don't know why you would think that scientists can tell you much about creating
a civilisation

You could check with anthropologists and archaeologists about how civilizations developed

(or a universe, for that matter)

You could check with cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers, about that

.. they certainly know about how to destroy one!

You could check with a lot of people about that - why stick to scientists

 

[TheLightWithin]

We all have beliefs .. you can suggest that Capitalism is based on fact, for example, but others would
not agree.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Economies of all kinds are based on movements of goods and services. I mean I guess you could call that a fact?

 

[TheLightWithin]

From a vert weak position vis-a-vis Advaita, I took this off a search engine:

What is weak about the position? Or maybe I should just ask, what do you mean?

From the somewhat stronger Catholic position, I would say 'yes' to that statement,

What is stronger about the Catholic position? Or is it that it is strong for you because you know it well and can argue it knowledgably?

 

[muhammad_isa]

..why stick to scientists..

I don't .. but I listen to what they say.
If I want to know about science (and I do), I will ask a scientist.
If I want to know about religion, I will ask a priest.

I don't consider them to be mutually exclusive.
They deal with different issues.

I do not consider the Bible to be inerrant .. nor a book about science.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Economies of all kinds are based on movements of goods and services. I mean I guess you could call that a fact?

Yes .. but politically, there is a difference of opinion of how the economy should be administrated.
Economists have differences of opinion .. based on knowledge and experience .. politically
left or right and so on.

Religion is no different.
It doesn't mean there are no underlying facts, it is just that people come to different conclusions.

 

[TheLightWithin]

why stick to scientists

I don't .. but I listen to what they say.

I kinda think you missed my point