The Role that Wisdom Plays in Faith and Enlightenment

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I have long thought that “hope,” as important as it is, was never the right word. Far superior to a hopeful feeling is an understanding or vision that a person or group has the potential to work out of whatever dark and seemingly hopeless situation we find ourselves in. I had a down, fairly worthless, day yesterday, but I am old enough to have wisdom that if I simply have the dysphoric mood without letting it have me, I will most likely crawl out of the hole, perhaps even edge close to the Whole if I don’t react too much to the emotion or the appearances that fuel the emotion. Today is much better because I didn’t blow smoke up my ass yesterday. And yet I had a wise understanding of how we can get through seemingly impossible situations or states. Recognition of time (as in “time heals” and “this is not forever”) helped. The wisdom seems to involve allowing the neutral mind to take the reins. This effectiveness suggests the primacy of the Vedantic concept of “Causal Body.” Emotions are helpful and need to be experienced, but they are part of the energetic Subtle Body, intermediate, depth level of overall reality. Or perhaps they also have one foot in the Gross Body (“flesh”) on the surface. But the wisdom requires including the realities of the surface and intermediate zones of being. Otherwise, it is the defense mechanism of intellectualization.
When we conceptualize God and/or Christ as “Logos,” perhaps we are simply reminding ourselves just how important it is to embrace mind and use it to deal with emotions and physical reality. As long as we don’t use it to escape the reality we have all been born into (like it or not). The recent thread based on Vedantic and Logos concepts is certainly in line with the primacy of mind. When I say “mind,” however, I mean one that is open to a consciousness that surpasses regular, matter-oriented, thinking. Deep mind must be allowed to inform regular mind where imperfect copies of Plato’s Ideal Forms tend to predominate, or “Mia (sp?), Illusion, if you will.
What do you think? Is a mind a terrible thing to waste or allow to go under-utilized? Wisdom seems to stabilize us and keep us from getting stuck in pits that interfere with faith and enlightenment.
I’ll ask my other brother Darrell what he thinks about this!
 
I had one of those days yesterday, too... Instead of fighting, fixing, or trying to get out of it, I greeted it as a friend. Hello, Oizys.

In the past few years, I've realized how little control I have over my mind. I can have either ecstasy or misery pushed on me for no reason(or, for a very good reason). (I'm not saying this is how it is for everyone, but me, personally.) I gave up the idea of free will some time ago, so this doesn't seem alarming to me, and I accept it.
 
I had one of those days yesterday, too... Instead of fighting, fixing, or trying to get out of it, I greeted it as a friend. Hello, Oizys.

In the past few years, I've realized how little control I have over my mind. I can have either ecstasy or misery pushed on me for no reason(or, for a very good reason). (I'm not saying this is how it is for everyone, but me, personally.) I gave up the idea of free will some time ago, so this doesn't seem alarming to me, and I accept it.
Good for you! Because it’s good for you. By lowering your resistance to it you have learned to ride it out. Also probably observing more, reacting less. Sounds like intentionality and “mind” to me ! And wisdom.
 
What do you think? Is a mind a terrible thing to waste or allow to go under-utilized?
Yes indeed, the use of mind can be elevated or wasted.

That is life though is it not? Learning how to use our rational mind in the most progressive way possible!

Which then opens a can of wormbs as to the purpose of life.

Regards Tony
 
That is life though is it not? Learning how to use our rational mind in the most progressive way possible!
Which I believe includes intuitive knowing that supplements rationality instead of replacing it. Rationality because we are in the world, noesis because we are not of the world. Truly “progressive” in terms of more integrated use of “mind.”
 
As for the question, as perse, good householder: knowing of what's proper to do, what is not. ...proper to develop, what is not. ...proper to abond, proper to associate. That's the amount of wisdom one needs to gain by good chosen confidence in a trustful source, toward "One who knows/sees".

Spoken general, wisdom is always at the end of the line of tasks, while confidence/faith, is always the leader for any undertaking, till real knowing arises.
 
Spoken general, wisdom is always at the end of the line of tasks, while confidence/faith, is always the leader for any undertaking, till real knowing arises.
Yes, I can see how faith usually comes first, but sometimes wisdom is needed to protect faith from disillusionment and discouragement. Without wisdom one has experiences that erode faith over time. While faith may be not OF the world, wisdom helps support it IN the world. But I see your point. Faith can take the lead. But at some point the wisdom will be needed to sustain faith in faith!
 
Yes, I can see how faith usually comes first, but sometimes wisdom is needed to protect faith from disillusionment and discouragement. Without wisdom one has experiences that erode faith over time. While faith may be not OF the world, wisdom helps support it IN the world. But I see your point. Faith can take the lead. But at some point the wisdom will be needed to sustain faith in faith!
By doing at first in faith, one grows wiser. It never goes toward a better for the doubting nature, or the "smart".
As it is in regard of choosing the perfect guardian: to know qualities proper, to be able to identify them, one needs to grow in perfection oneself. An outsider never knows who's really an insider.
It's, how ever, seldom, that one has/gains the right connection, as it requires to make sacrifices for it.
 
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