Was Jesus being a nut case when he said:

The Truth of Jesus is SO obvious. If we die without him, we will have NO excuse because life is designed to bring us to him. If we die without him, it will be our own fault, because we were the one to reject him, willingly.
 
Flame said:
The Truth of Jesus is SO obvious. If we die without him, we will have NO excuse because life is designed to bring us to him. If we die without him, it will be our own fault, because we were the one to reject him, willingly.

The Truth of Jesus is SO obvious. If you die without Him, you will have NO excuse because life is designed to bring you to Him. If you die without Him, it will be your own fault, because you were the one to reject him, willingly.

There you are, Flame. Just gave it back to you, is all. ;)
 
Conscience said:
"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! No, I came to bring a sword. I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household! If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. If you refuse to take up your cross and follow me, you are not worthy of being mine. If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give it up for me, you will find it. Matt. 10:34-39


Whoa..Who does Jesus think he is?

Love it... Heh, Indeed who is he? To say you have to love him more than your family? I believe him not to be the son of god but if he and god were real then still, what is the point??? As I have said a few times you get given this free will, but then have to act like a dog with blind loyalty.
 
17th Angel said:
Love it... Heh, Indeed who is he? To say you have to love him more than your family? I believe him not to be the son of god but if he and god were real then still, what is the point??? As I have said a few times you get given this free will, but then have to act like a dog with blind loyalty.

It would be helpful to look at the context of the passage.

Early in Matthew 10, Jesus is sending His disciples to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, a meesage that has been lost in the legalism of 1st century Judaism. Jesus is always contending against the scribes and Pharisees because of their hypocrisy and reliance to their vain traditions (as evident back in Matthew 5).

For those who reject the message, the disciples are instructed to brush the dust off their feet at that house or city. The Gospel of the Kingdom will not sit well with some folks. Jesus tells them that you will be hated by men for His Name's sake and will suffer persecution.

They will also find that the message of the Kingdom will not sit well with family members, for it is foreign to them.

It is the message of the Kingdom that is the sword that will divide, not a physical sword that will separate families. And the message is basically this:

What people fail to understand is that our love for our family, our friends, our lovers and spouses, our sons and daughters, pales in comparasion with the Love of God. When we connect with God and experience His love, THEN we will know the magnitude of that love and it will change us so that we will be able to love our family, our friends, our lovers and spouses, our sons and daughters with a Love not of our own, but generated by the Spirit of God in our lives. We will become more forgiving, more understanding as God's Love flows through our lives. Broken relationships will have a better chance of being restored and we will see people as God sees them in a spirit of compassion.

Through Christ, we can access the throne of God and receive forgiveness and mercy in time of need. God's Spirit will dwell in us to achieve His Purposes for our life. But many will reject this because of pride, of their reliance of a religion that relies on self, rather than God, on sins that hold people in it's power such that they would rather follow their own destruction rather than the salvation of God.

Jesus first preached, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand." Repent seems like such a strong and opposing word for most people. That word has been associated with the negative connotation of the warning "or else!" But to repent merely means to recognize God's way, rather than our own, as superior to obtain a life that is fulfilling and full of joy and peace. For a life of sin only bring sorrow and pain and hate and will destroy our lives.

God is more worthy to be loved than any other human relationship we can foster. God's ways and commandments were never intended to be the spoiler of life. But the boundaries God sets is intended to bring the highest good to every relationship. How many times has your sin our someone else's sin messed up your life or others? But if we can live in that harmony that God has established, then we can all begin to see the healing start. That is the kingdom of God. That is the message that will both bring families together or divide families.
 
17th Angel said:
Yeah I guess that can all be good and all, if you believe in things such as that....

All I can say to that is, "Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!" - Psalm 34:8
 
division is caused by pride and arrogance, embarrasment and denial, wanting to please others but not the source which is christ.

one example being when christ cures a group of lepers united by lepresy and as outcasts, and tells them to go to the temple and show the priest they have been cured. the foreigner of the group who had lepresy is the only one that returns and worships at christ's feet thanking god. the other nine went to get approval to be near the temple of those that kept it.
 
Haha, my -objection- with christianity, is I am supposed to believe in something that cannot be prooved... Do not quote, please, do not quote some bible passages to me, that doesn't proove a thing. So anyway, my objection is there is this book some deity makes everything, super. I then have to waste my life being a servant? Why should I.... If he was real, he has then given me this "gift" of free will, I am going to use that not to believe in him, so he must like it or lump it.

My own personal greed and wants and desires of the flesh are far more attractive then some hope of being raised from the ashes.
 
17th Angel said:
Haha, my -objection- with christianity, is I am supposed to believe in something that cannot be prooved... Do not quote, please, do not quote some bible passages to me, that doesn't proove a thing. So anyway, my objection is there is this book some deity makes everything, super. I then have to waste my life being a servant? Why should I.... If he was real, he has then given me this "gift" of free will, I am going to use that not to believe in him, so he must like it or lump it.

My own personal greed and wants and desires of the flesh are far more attractive then some hope of being raised from the ashes.

Fair enough. Sounds like a true fallen angel. ;).

For me, I tried my own personal greed and wants and desires of the flesh. And I have to admit, it was fun sometimes, but I was also dangerous, reckless, and overall unfulfilled. Then I tried God's way, according to scripture. Then I found my own personal greed and wants and desires of the flesh much more satisfying and longer lasting. Things just seemed to click better for me over and over again. That was proof enough for me.

And for what it's worth. While spending eternity in the future Kingdom of God seems to be on the forefront of most people's minds when they think of Christianity, I think Jesus stressed more that the Kingdom of God is to be experienced here and now, while we still walk the earth. So far, I haven't found being a servant to be a waste of time at all. On the contrary, I stopped wasting my life.
 
Heh, I think what is offered by jah, isn't tempting to me... To live forever but in service, I wouldn't be happy. And you are, after all supposed to serve under happiness. So I am simply not in this great plan of paradise... But I guess it just boils down to what attracts a person.. Also I guess what fears they have.. Say a fear of death, then there is a promise of life everlasting, would indeed be sweet to the taste I believe.
 
17th Angel said:
Heh, I think what is offered by jah, isn't tempting to me... To live forever but in service, I wouldn't be happy. And you are, after all supposed to serve under happiness. So I am simply not in this great plan of paradise... But I guess it just boils down to what attracts a person.. Also I guess what fears they have.. Say a fear of death, then there is a promise of life everlasting, would indeed be sweet to the taste I believe.

If you object to Christianity THAT much...then why are you posting here? If you dont believe anything about our religion then why waste our time and yours by posting? Or do you have ulterior motives?
 
17th Angel said:
Heh, I think what is offered by jah, isn't tempting to me... To live forever but in service, I wouldn't be happy. And you are, after all supposed to serve under happiness. So I am simply not in this great plan of paradise... But I guess it just boils down to what attracts a person.. Also I guess what fears they have.. Say a fear of death, then there is a promise of life everlasting, would indeed be sweet to the taste I believe.

Have you been reading "Paradise Lost" again 17th? I'm telling ya, that stuff will give you nightmares, and daymares too. ;)
 
If you object to Christianity THAT much...then why are you posting here? If you dont believe anything about our religion then why waste our time and yours by posting? Or do you have ulterior motives?


Because it is comparative religion? It's not soley a christian site... And It is very interesting to see people try and back up their faith with evidence... Besides I was a christian say a month back.... I was for a year or so but nothing truly added up. If you think of me as out of place, then just consider me an asset to showing how strong your faith is...

Q lol haven't read paradise lost for years...
 
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