Baha'i and Matrixism?

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  1. Popeyesays

    Popeyesays New Member

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    Actually outside sources estimate the membership of the Baha`i 'splinter groups' to be less than a thousand world-wide. There are about 7,000,000 Baha`i's around the world. That is an infinitessimal percentage and causes believers.com to record that the Baha`i Faith is the most unified religion in the world.

    As time passes and the splinters continue to wither away we'll see that imperceptible ratio continue to nearly zero.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  2. Popeyesays

    Popeyesays New Member

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    The texts of the Baha`i Faith make clear that an individual's 'presonal revelation' cannot merge with God because God, in His Essence, is unknowable to anything BUT God. The idea that the individual can merge completely with God is entirely foreign to the Baha`i Faith, and yet another reason that trying to find justification within Abdu'l Baha's words to support Matrixism is ridiculous.

    Are you a former Baha`i or a former member of one of the CB groups? Why do you work so hard to tie the faith into this invention of matrixism.

    Regards, Scott
     
  3. DynoMight

    DynoMight New Member

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    One might as well ask "Why does the Baha'i religion labor so hard to tie itself in with all previous religions?" or "Why did Jesus of Nazareth try so hard to tie His movement in with Judaic prophecy?"

    That being said I don't think I have to "work" very hard to tie Matrixism into the Baha'i religon. Matrixism by its own admission is clearly a legacy of the Baha'i.

    I might add that Abdul Baha made quite an effort himself to tie the Baha'i Faith in with Dharminic tradition. Unfortunately he did not go so far as to allow for unstunted or rather complete mystical experience. Because of this the Baha'i Faith isn't very Dharminic and can hardly lay claim to its lineage. Matrixism on the other hand with its full recognition of mystical communion completes the re-unification of eastern and western religion started in small part by Abdul Baha.

    "Therefore, for the perfect man there are two kinds of birth: the first, physical birth, is from the matrix of the mother, the second, or spiritual birth, is from the world of nature. In both he is without knowledge of the new world of existence he is entering." ~ A. Baha

    "The path of the One is made by the many." ~ the Oracle

    Could this "perfect man" be the One? I think that Pathists (followers of Matrixism) would answer "Yes."
     
  4. DynoMight

    DynoMight New Member

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    I think that you will find as the Baha'i Faith grows you will find ever more splinter groups. It only stands to reason. Christianity was very well untied itself until its ranks began to grow more dense and expansive.

    It is interesting to note that India has both the largest and most densely populated Baha'i communities in the world and the same time it is also home to the most robust of Baha'i splinter groups.

    The Baha'i Faith is dead. Long live Matrixism!
     
  5. Popeyesays

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    If it were splintering more at this time, there would be more splinter groups with larger memberships. That isn't the case.

    I suspect matrixism will be a flash in the pan as scientology seems to be going.

    Works of fiction make truly poor bases for establishing religion.

    Regads,
    Scott
     
  6. DynoMight

    DynoMight New Member

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    You missed my point Scott. What I said is that in the future if the Baha'i Faith grows into the major world religion there will be large and healthy splinters groups most probably based on some of the many baha'i splinter groups that already exists. This could very well not come to pass though as the roles of the Baha'i Faith are in fact dwindling.

    As for Matrixism right now it seems to be experiencing rather rapid growth and this while still awaiting a prophet and a book. If the Jedi religion is any indication the ranks of Matrixism could swell significantly in the next 20 years or so.

    ps - "matrixism" as you write it should correctly be capitalized (Matrixism)
     
  7. Popeyesays

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    I'm sorry, but you missed my point. The tendency is for the Baha`i Faith to integrate, not disintegrate. In that process it has overcome much more rigorous challenges than "Matrixism".

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  8. BruceDLimber

    BruceDLimber Baha'i

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    Dyno, hi.

    OF COURSE there will be more Messengers, and every Bahai' stipulates this!

    But as Baha'u'llah Himself said, none will appear for at least a (literal) millenium (now down to about 860 years).

    And what you consistently overlook or ignore is that no further Guardian was possible because: 1) another Guardian would have had to be a literal descendant of Baha'u'llah (and no descendant was a Baha'i and therefore eligible) and 2) Shoghi Effendi himself would have had to appoint such an individual, which he did not because he could not, no one being eligible. So there was no choice but for the succession to end if the Covenant was to be obeyed.

    And as to "matrixism," its own fruits condemn it!: any religion promoting drug use has already condemned itself. End of story.

    Peace,

    Bruce
     
  9. BuzzLY

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    "You're condemned! Peace. " That's pretty funny.

    Just out of curiosity are you condemning the many denominations of Christianity that use alcohol as sacrament also?
     
  10. arthra

    arthra Baha'i

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    Hey Buzzly!

    I think the sensitivities of some of us Baha'is were aroused by this thread because it alleged some connections between our Faith and Matrixism. Bruce is probably reacting to that and he will of course speak for himself....but no Baha'is don't condemn Christians for their use of wine in the sacrament.

    - Art
     
  11. Popeyesays

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    Christians do not use communion to alter their state of consciousness through getting drunk. If you get a buzz on to pray or meditate then it isn't just the Baha`i Faith that condemns it but also Islam.

    If it is to make one inebriated or in a drugged state to attain a better communion with God, then it is against the Baha`i guidance that man's state of consciousness is created PERFECT for communion with God.

    Dyno is gone, by the way, Bruce.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  12. Popeyesays

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    Probably the best thing to do is cite where Baha`u'llah forbids alcohol and quote it. It's brief:

    ""Beware lest ye exchange the Wine of God for your own
    wine, for it [your own wine]will stupefy your minds, and turn your faces away from the Countenance of God, the All-Glorious, the Peerless,
    the Inaccessible. Approach it not, for it hath been forbidden unto
    you by the behest of God, the Exalted, the Almighty."

    (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 227)

    Both Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian have interpreted this to mean a
    prohibition on all forms of alcohol except for medicinal purposes. It's pretty unequivocal.

    The injunction against drugs is in the same vein.

    Simply put if Matrixis says Abdu'l Baha or Baha`u'llah advocate drugs and alcohol for religious purpose it's an out and out lie.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  13. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    Or back with a new name...right Buzz?
     
  14. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    Watched "The Matrix" again on Saturday - still a great film. :)

    Something I'm not sure I understand in this thread, and DynoMight's position, is how the Baha'i faith fits in with his Matrix worldview?

    I would have thought the Matrix had much more in common with Timothy Leary than Baha'u'llah??
     
  15. BuzzLY

    BuzzLY Space Ranger

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    Wrong.
     
  16. Popeyesays

    Popeyesays New Member

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    Okay, you're not DynoMight.

    Now do you have comment on the quote against alcohol that I posted? Can it be construed in anyway to support the notion that Baha`u'llah told Baha`is that alcohol was not allowed?

    re-post:
    "Beware lest ye exchange the Wine of God for your own
    wine, for it [your own wine]will stupefy your minds, and turn your faces away from the Countenance of God, the All-Glorious, the Peerless,
    the Inaccessible. Approach it not, for it hath been forbidden unto
    you by the behest of God, the Exalted, the Almighty."

    (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 227)


    Reards,
    Scott
     
  17. BuzzLY

    BuzzLY Space Ranger

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    Not really.
     
  18. BuzzLY

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    To infinity and beyond!
     
  19. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    lmao.... Go buzzy, go buzzy...
     
  20. The Dude

    The Dude Interfaith Forums

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    No offense but it seems rather hypocritical of Baha'is to be upset at Muslims for not recognizing the validity of their religion while not recognizing the validity of Matrixism. Clearly Bahaism is an offshoot of Islam just as Matrixism is an offshoot of the Baha'i Faith.

    To say that Matrixism is not related to the Baha'i Faith is like saying that the Baha'i Faith is not an Abrahamic religion.
     

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