How We Greet One Another

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  1. InLove

    InLove at peace

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    Hello, and Peace--

    I have been given permission to post this by proxy from BruceDLimber from a thread on the Baha'i board:

    And Bruce has told me more--I will post that in a moment.

    Thanks,
    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  2. InLove

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    Hi--Peace--

    And my question is always whether or not it is appropriate for others to use an address to those in a certain faith--here is the answer from Bruce:

    Thanks again, BruceDLimber, for your contribution.

    Coming up next--some answers from my Muslim friends--sorry it is taking me so long--had to go out of town--Father's day, ya know--love my Dad.

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  3. InLove

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    Peace to All Here--

    The following quote is part of a post on a thread (one which was very helpful to me) on the Islam board entitled, "In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

    Thipps has graciously allowed me to post this part of the conversation here (I believe I, Brian was being addressed in this particular post, and "friend" had also been a part of the discussion. Thipps has since added more, which I will post next. But for now:

     
  4. InLove

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    Peace to All Here--

    This is what Thipps has added (addressing my request at the beginning):

    Thank you, Thipps--:)

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  5. InLove

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    Peace to All Here--

    Going to go to the Judaism board next. That means I have to ask bananabrain. Pray for me.:) .

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  6. InLove

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    Hi, and Peace to All Here--

    Shalom, bananabrain--

    In case you are reading this thread, I was just teasing a bit with that. Just want to make sure you know I really wasn't trying to offend. I figure you know that, but thought I should say so anyway:) . Just looking for your astute contribution, if you so desire.

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  7. InLove

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    Peace:),

    Yes--thanks for that, Saponification--I have been wondering about that. I notice it is often used at the end of a message, as well.

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  8. Nitai

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    Hare Krishna

    The explanation and the purpose of greeting other persons with the words Hare Krishna is as follows.

    Hare means the energy of God, Krishna. That energy can connect one to Krishna, God. Whether one hears or says Hare Krishna the spiritual sound vibration Hare Krishna will act and gradually bring one closer to Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Even if one don't believe in the power of the words Hare Krishna, the sound-vibration Hare Krishna will still have an effect on the elevation of consciousness.

    Conclusively, to greet each other with Hare Krishna is very beneficial regardless ones faith. Hare Krishna.
     
  9. InLove

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    Peace to All Here--

    Cool, Nitai:cool: ! Thanks for that--I had kind of wondered, but wasn't quite sure how to ask yet. Appreciate the contribution.

    Also--more of the latest--I have great responses from the Judaism board, thanks to dayaa and bananabrain--I will post those replies as soon as I can--just making double-sure it is okay with them.

    I was also thinking about this--in the late sixties and early seventies, lots of young people in the U.S. (and I'm sure in other countries) used the greeting "Peace", which irritated much of the older generation because it was, at the time, associated with hippie culture and "flower children" and the anti-war movement. Isn't it funny how things evolve, and how the meaning of the word never changed, just the perception of it?

    Just thinking....

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  10. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    Namaste all,


    Namaste and its deriviate, Namakser are greetings from, today, the Nepali region. of course, when these terms origniated, it wasn't Nepal... but, that probably doesn't matter at this point all that much.

    in any case, there are several translations that could be used to express the meaning behind the term, the one that i use is thus:

    "i bow to the divine in you. when you are in that place in you and i am in that place in me, there is but one of us."

    whilst this isn't a typical Buddhist greeting, really, more of a Sanatana Dharma sort of thing, i still use it since it connects more easily with more beings, in my view.
     
  11. Nitai

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    Hare Krishna

    Interesting translation of namaste. Hmm.

    "i bow to the divine in you. when you are in that place in you and i am in that place in me, there is but one of us."

    It is however, very impersonalistic. The mayavadi school considers all the souls are ultimately the one Brahman. This philosophy is wrong. If all of us would be God then we would be not now in illusion and miserable in so many ways. IOW God is always God, one without second. Illusion cannot be greater than Him. Thus also the miseries of this material world cannot touch Him.

    So, if you still want to give a translation to namaste then the 'divine in us' should refer to Paramatma or the Supersoul that is next to our soul. This is very proper because the bodies of all living entities are considered to be the temple of God, the Supersoul.
     
  12. InLove

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    Hi--Peace to All Here:) --

    Thank you for the translation of "namaste" (as well as "namakser"), Vajradhara. I was hoping someone would post something about it. It is a beautiful greeting, and while I have heard other translations, I can't remember exactly what they are. This is the one I have heard most often.

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  13. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    Namaste Nitai,

    thank you for the post.

    naturally. i use this greeting with a bit of a "nod and a wink" since, ultimately, that which is divine in us is not us and the divine part is simply a manner of speaking..

    indeed, should one hold the view that you have, this would be the way to see it. clearly, Buddhism does not share this view :)

    from the Buddhist point of view, it would be Buddha Nature which is what is being referred to.

    however, as that is a rather complicated thing to explain in a greeting, it seems much more appropos to use a term like "divine" which can mean a great many things to a great many people and is, probably, more likely to result in a positive dialog.
     
  14. InLove

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    Hi, Peace!

    Well, bananabrain has been rather busy lately, (mazzeltov, Mr. and Mrs. bb!:cool: ). But he did find a minute to stop in on the Judaism board and post a helpful response, as has dayaa. The two explanations concerning the greeting "shalom" complement one another, as dayaa explains in the last quote.

    Thank you both for your kind and helpful replies! (I love this thread:).)

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  15. smkolins

    smkolins Bahá'í

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    If I might elaborate.... Baha'is also say Allah'u'Abha as a "goodbye". Literally it means "God the most Glorious", or "God of Glory". This is one of three forms of what Baha'is call the "Greatest Name", a name-symbol of God (not that God doesn't have other names - infact the "Greatest Name" is a Name of God....

    The least superlative is Baha'u'llah, then Allah'u'Abha, then Ya'Baha'u'l-Abha. The first is "Glory of God", then "God the most Glorious", the "The Glory of the Most Glorious!" Baha'is use the first as the title of the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, the second in greeting/parting and prayers, and the last in some prayers or scriptures.

    A fine detail is that "glory" is one english word. Sometimes Baha is translated as "splendour".

    A permutation is the name/title of the Son of Baha'u'llah - Abdu'l-Baha which means "Servant of Glory"....

    In terms of using it as a greeting it is in the manner of Islam - but they tend to use other terms along the same lines. In general it is a way of calling out the remembrance of God as a way of begining a conversation with another. In that sense it is vaguely similar to nameste as was mentioned.
     
  16. InLove

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    Hi, and Peace to All Here--

    Allah-u-Abha, smkolins:) (Hope that is right)

    Thank you! I appreciate you stopping in and adding that. I am learning so much--and whatever I am not learning quickly, I can take my time because I can study it right here!

    I think I have some more coming from my Muslim friends--just want to find out one more thing---

    LOL--I wonder if anyone thinks I am crazy for getting so excited about this little study! I admit I am fascinated...

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  17. InLove

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    Hi, and Peace to All Here—:)


    Re: Muslim Greetings:


    I was writing “Asalaam-o-alaikum”, which is fine, but thipps informs me of the following (the extra “s” is only underlined for emphasis, not for regular usage):




    Also, I asked:






    thipps replied:




    Yes, it does help—thanks again to thipps. I have more replies coming from the Islam board, I think…


    Seems fitting to end this post with “Allah knows best, and may God guide us all”


    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  18. shunammite

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    Hello all <---what the heck kind of greeting is THAT???

    To me I guess it means like a shout out to anyone who can hear me...and talk back...

    I don't mind how someone greets me, hostility is fine...but real CONNECTING is what I look for...I think it is hard to find because it is so dangerous...

    Either you get pregnant or one of you kills the other...or maybe...you can hold hands and just be friends, but I doubt it.

    I know that mysterious answer would take some explaining...but I think all human interaction is kind of like Cain and Abel "talking" in a "field".....or like Jonathan and David...who also met on the field, and their souls were knit together.

    I put everything through a "bible prism" but I'm not affiliated with any christian church...but Matt 5:43-48 speaks of how even the publicans salute those who salute them, but to be children of the heavenly father one "salutes" rather indiscriminantly...

    Again it's relief from "aloneness" that I want...and in order to give no offense people may say nothing at all really...and so we remain separated...I think a real "salutation" takes a chance...by being somehow SPECIFIC...defined..."peculiar"...and that the other person will embrace you anyway even if you seem "strange"...

    Also a real salutation is not like this one...but is "brief"...and trusts the other person to fill in the empty spaces...but you guys don't know me from adam...and well...I wanted to "connect", lolol...

    Hi Y'all <----from Georgia, lol...
     
  19. InLove

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    Hey, "Y'all" (for you Shunnamite--I'm from Texas, so I am quite comfy with that one!)

    Thanks for your contribution. Yes, I think you connected well. And you really delved into the heart of why I started this thread.

    Since I may have to be out again for a while, I thought I'd add something that has been on my mind for a while: The consensus here seems to be that generally when one makes a positive gesture with a greeting, it is appreciated by the party being greeted. So, for the most part, it is okay to employ a greeting one is not so familiar with in his or her everyday speech in order to make the connection to which Shunnamite and some of the rest of you referred.

    Here is something to ponder, though. I think we are wise if we do not use a greeting until we know exactly what it really means. We could offend, or be seen as patronizing. Even more than this, however, we could actually say something we do not believe. Any thoughts?

    InPeace,
    InLove (be back as soon as I can):)
     
  20. Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine Junior Moderator, Intro Staff Member

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    Some interesting information I got concerning one of my greetings:

    I spoke with one of my many former professors about greetings a while ago (he was my Gaelic professor) and he told me something rather interesting: Gaelic (Irish) tends to invoke G!d at the beginning of most greetings, followed by Mary, then each Irish saint starting from Patrick then.... Anyway, the Irish also say "Cead mille failte", which translates to "One hundred thousand welcomes" (which I believe is about how many saints the Irish Catholics claim [I know. Shouldn't say that. :eek:]) Anyway, cead mille failte has some "accent" marks (for correct spelling/pronunciation), but my computer is acting up on the international alphabet keyings. :mad:

    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
     

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