Thought it might be fun to have foks share their views on the place of either apophatic or kataphatic approaches or perhaps the dance between them in their spirituality. Apophatic being of course the via negativa-path of unknowing and kataphatic-the via positiva-path of attributes Do we hear a bell ring without it being empty within?
How about some poetry to start. First by TS Eliot from "Four Quarters:"
"You say I am repeating
Something I said before. I shall say it again.
Shall I say it again? In order to arrive there,
To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not,
You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy.
In order to arrive at what you do not know
You must go by a way which is the way of ignorance.
In order to possess what you do not possess
You must go by the way of dispossession.
In order to arrive at what you are not
You must go through the way in which you are not.
And what you do not know is the only thing you know
And what you own is what you do not own
And where you are is where you are not."
The Sufi, Rumi:
"I've said before that every craftsman
searches for what's not there
to practice his craft.
A builder looks for the rotten hole
where the roof caved in. A water-carrier
picks the empty pot. A carpenter
stops at the house with no door.
Workers rush toward some hint
of emptiness, which they then
start to fill. Their hope, though,
is for emptiness, so don't think
you must avoid it. It contains what you need!
Dear soul, if you were not friends
with the vast nothing inside,
why would always be casting your net
into it, and waiting so patiently?"
Take care, Earl
How about some poetry to start. First by TS Eliot from "Four Quarters:"
"You say I am repeating
Something I said before. I shall say it again.
Shall I say it again? In order to arrive there,
To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not,
You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy.
In order to arrive at what you do not know
You must go by a way which is the way of ignorance.
In order to possess what you do not possess
You must go by the way of dispossession.
In order to arrive at what you are not
You must go through the way in which you are not.
And what you do not know is the only thing you know
And what you own is what you do not own
And where you are is where you are not."
The Sufi, Rumi:
"I've said before that every craftsman
searches for what's not there
to practice his craft.
A builder looks for the rotten hole
where the roof caved in. A water-carrier
picks the empty pot. A carpenter
stops at the house with no door.
Workers rush toward some hint
of emptiness, which they then
start to fill. Their hope, though,
is for emptiness, so don't think
you must avoid it. It contains what you need!
Dear soul, if you were not friends
with the vast nothing inside,
why would always be casting your net
into it, and waiting so patiently?"
Take care, Earl