Hindu Prana, Buddhist Prana, and Taoist Qi the same energy?

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  1. Zazen

    Zazen New Member

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    u know how u become a shaolin monk? the lay disciples who are children and teenagers go to shaolin because they were 'bad' kids. in some way or another its like a wierd juve for them. only the best of the lay disciples become 'shaolin' monks. although in the past there were differences. for instance there were at a time more purely buddhist monks then wu seng or warrior monks. although times changed, the wu seng traditionally were very devote buddhists, just as much as the normal buddhist monks, only they practice shaolin gung fu. if you understand the teaching of damo(bodhidarma) you would understand that he taught a very different method of buddhism then most then or now practice. for instance when he arrived the monks were very physically weak and couldnt sustain long hours of meditation, so he taught them the 18 lohan kuen, the classic of sinew metamorphosis, and bone marrow and brain washing qi gong. known collectively as the yi jin jing(COSM) xi su si(bmbwqg) also on arriving he found the monks to be to caught up with reading sutras and pondering over such things. so he taught and emphasised action meditation, meditation and experienceing nirvana in the present.


    ok now, we all know that chan(zen) was created at shaolin temple. shaolin gung fu is a expression of chan philosophy, like buddhism it has to be taught in a heart to heart or mind to mind manner. in the past masters would have only few students and transmitt the knowledge to the best students. there is so much to understand even on a basic level few even after years and years of practice even scratch the surface, because they are not taught properly and because their understanding is to superficial to really percieve the mysterys of shaolin gung fu. it sounds mystical and whatnot but its true. and no art that i have come across anyhow, places more emphasis on the mind or intent, and the spirit. now this of course is nothing really, if your not a buddhist of the chan sect and you dont understand chan or believe in the teaching etc the gung fu will not and doesnt have to be spiritual or religious, but you can still be very good. the bulk of the monks are not buddhist, or religious, even though they take the vows they arent buddhist. few act like monks and even fewer understand what they preach on buddhist views. although the monks that do practice buddhism have a deep understanding.

    the monks also, do not practice taoism, at all, vaj is completely wrong there, and the misconception that taoism and chan buddhism are intertwined is bs. vaj is entitled to his own oppinion but with a intimate study of shaolin chan buddhism and how it is practiced, vs taoism, they are more dissimilar methods then similar, only philosohpys and teachings get people confused because they are similar. the same could be said for christianity and buddhism even though i know vaj would seriously refute this because of the "creation-creator belief" held by christians, but then again, thict nat han(spelling might be wrong) has a different view and so does the dali lama.

    anyway, the monks arent spiritual, no one lives in shaolin temple besides i think the abbot and maybe a few others like shi su xi but really no one lives or trains there, let alone practice buddhism.
     
  2. Silverbackman

    Silverbackman Prince Of Truth

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    Arrghhh, interesting information but do you have some article to back it up:).
     
  3. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    Namaste Zazen,

    thank you for the post.

    you misunderstand my view, Zazen. my view is that the Shaolin sect is a school of Ch'an Buddhism. this is clear. Ch'an Buddhism is the tradition of Buddhism that was brought to China and interacted with the existing tradition of T'ao.

    this is evidenced by the particular word formations which are characteristic of the Ch'an tradition, especially as found in more esoteric teachings. for instance, the term "special transmission outside of doctrine" is a typical by-word of Ch'an practice as influenced by T'ao.

    please understand that this is not simply my opinion on this matter. there has been a great deal of study on this subject and is the prevailing view amongst scholars of the eastern Buddhist traditions.

    or her opinion. let us leave my gender out of this discussion, please :)

    perhaps you are not understand the nature of my claim. i am not asserting that Ch'an and T'ao share the same practices, i am asserting that, at their philosophical level, they share many of the same concepts and thus, the Chinese used what they already understood when they started upon the study of the Dharma.

    more than just that, of course. in point of fact, that consideration is fairly low down on the list of objections, though it certainly cannot be overlooked.

    regarding? by the by, it's Dalai Lama :)

    metta,

    ~v
     
  4. Zazen

    Zazen New Member

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    articles to back up my claims..lolo. well, most of the articles you read about monks either talk about their gung fu or their life at shaolin. maybe thats proof therien that they dont even talk about buddhism.

    anyway, articles arent going to bash the monks, people worship these guys in the states and abroad. there are 'temples' in america(shi guolin, shi yan ming, zhang li peng etc in NYC) some in texas etc, in the UK theres shi yan lei and others. these guys dont emphasise buddhism, alot of them have chan buddhism classes but ex students and friends of mine make it perfectly clear what type of training is involved and what type of teaching is being 'enforced'

    i really dont like talking bad about the monks, umm if you want to find out the truth i could suggest some evil ones you can train with lolo. but umm really bad mouthing them isnt respectful. for one i admire there determination and will power because the things some of these guys are capable of(licking white hot iron, the iron body skills, the consumate skills they practice..some of them can literally fly..) these things take alot of really hard work and understanding of the mind and a total mastery of the body(sounds simple but anyone on this forum would struggle for years with the concepts no matter how much they would like to think different)

    anyway, i suggest you do your own research if you truly care, articles at kung fu qi gong magazine which are the bulk of the articles about monks only put them on a higher pedastal.

    vaj, girl, boy, hemaphrodite whatever you are ill get to your post later.
     
  5. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    Try not to make personal comments at other posters - it really isn't called for, nor acceptable - you should be experienced enough to know that by now, Zazen.
     
  6. Zazen

    Zazen New Member

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    sorry didnt mean to insult anyone
     
  7. Rickford

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    Re: Hindu Prana, Buddhist Prana, andSFEFEWTF Taoist Qi the same energy?

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  8. Rickford

    Rickford New Member

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    I just dont really see what ur getting at here. Thats all.
     
  9. Rickford

    Rickford New Member

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    I just get very uptight when I see thing like this on the internet.
     
  10. Rickford

    Rickford New Member

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    I truly believe in the ways of shaolin. Like wouldnt you be a little furiede to?
     

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