didymus said:Quahom, no doubt the christians extend themselves beyond others in many ways. Without a doubt there are christians filled with God's love and spirit. Some of these folks spread the word of God with the intention of truly helping another, others because they feel it is their duty as a christian to convert people to Jesus Christ. I think it can be taken as arrogant and presumptuous that one would need saving because they don't believe the same as others. I think it is very exclusive to tell people that heaven isn't open to them due to their nonbelief in Jesus. How is this inclusive. It's inclusive if you believe the same way, if not then you aren't considered part of God's maercy and grace.
i am seeing this the other way around. people choose to include or exclude Jesus. the same way i choose to include or exclude buddha & whoever.
but i think part of this here needs to be addressed to Jesus & not Christians per say- because he is the one who said what he said. so it is really Jesus, some people have the problem with...and when some people choose to include ALL of what he said & taught, people do not like that.
i do not exclude any individual from my life until i have a reason to do so, regardless of the beliefs they have. i do not flaunt my beliefs in Jesus as being better but i also do not compromise them.
i know you were taliking to Q, but i just wanted to point that out in behalf of myself.
didymus said:Bandit, I think there are many misleading books out there,. These aren't any of the books I refer to. The language of the heart is universal. Those that speak truth are known by their words and actions. There are so many different forms of spirituality that take onestraight to God. I read alot of different things out there, particularly experiences of those that enter deep meditation, prayer, NDE's and the like. There is a commonality that threads through all of this and that is God. The God that speaks to you sometimes but you ignore itbecause it may be wrong. You know what I mean. Those fleeting thoughts or that intuition that something doesn't sound right or sit well with you, but you can't share it with some,because they will tell you that you are wrong. Those people that will listen to the doubt and ambiguity you have without redirecting you to the source of confusion. These are the people that speak the same language. They will direct you to your heart and your conscious. There you will find truth. As the master said, "the kingdom is within you".
i was going through a reincarnation forum. i feel the bible does not give an absolute yes or no dogma concerning this & adresses it in a very obscure & vague manner. at this forum i am reading stuff like my dog came back as a cat. my uncle came back as my freinds son. ok fine. whatever. & there were some good articles on children that i have no problem in seeing a possibility in some reincarnation. it is a non issue for me & i stand neutral with it & refuse to accept any yes or no absolute dogma on this.
however, i got to the pages with FAQ and all i saw was a bunch of bashing christians & the bible. so there, my beliefs are excluded by these reincarnation people. with them- it is reincarnation or die!
naturally i will be chastized & condemned & excluded by a lot of Christians as well & i do not care, because the bible does not adress it, IMO.
so we all choose what & who to include in our beliefs. that does not mean we have to treat others badly or pound them over the head. all the rest of your post we are in agreement...the books & attitudes etc.
one thing i am a bit tired of seeing (not by you Didymus) are those who keep saying christians are exclusive. well, that may be so for some, but dont keep throwing us all in the same pile.
all these other religions & personal beliefs are just as exclusive as some Christians & dont tell me they are not.
people CHOOSE every single day what to include & exclude. if some choose to exclude Jesus & the Bible. then so be it. if i choose to exclude the Braham teaching, then so be it.
Everyone is excluding & including something. that is just the way it is because you cant have cake & eat it too.
i do not answer for what others do & thank God i dont have to.
i hope that explains a little better how i feel about the inclusive & exclusive sentiments & accusations that people like to direct toward Christians or anyone for that matter.
any way- good to see you again, Didymus