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Excerpt from "The Pride of Nations"
In order to keep from derailing the other thread, I pulled a couple of thoughts from there here.
And then reality sets in…who will manicure the forests? They will not manicure themselves, and I'm not too crazy about getting poison ivy all over my naked body, thanks. And who will take care of "us" who haven't a care, when the inevitable natural calamity occurs?
Point being, it is not accurate to presume that every mother in every culture at every time ever did not place the virtues of being a warrior/ hunter/ provider into her son's mental and moral repertoire. Belief notwithstanding.
One may not particularly like what a specific government is doing, but it is really hard to justify being philosophically against *all* forms of government with any reasonable degree of rationality. Certainly not if one considers the reality of the human condition, historically and presently. And what the alternative truly entails.
In order to keep from derailing the other thread, I pulled a couple of thoughts from there here.
This is evading the subject. No matter how much sugar coating one puts on a pile of anarchy, it is still anarchy.And you see ... some of us aren't willing to put down the pipe. No matter who shows up to share it.
What snide remarks? I had thought myself most sociable lately, no less because I have been scarce. Frankly, I had not even entertained the idea of being snide in response. Could it be that you are seeing in me what you find distasteful about yourself? It would help immensely if you didn't pre-judge.(Please avoid the obvious snide remarks ... which I sniff coming a MILE away. Just because a door is left open, doesn't mean you have to walk through it. NATIVE AMERICAN ... PEACE PIPE ... nuff said. OR, look up the band Arco Iris, if you really feel like expanding your horizons, naturally.)
Join "us" to dance sky-clad in manicured forests without a care in the world? Oh, what a wonderful dream…"I hope some day you'll JOIN us ... and the world will live as ONE."
And then reality sets in…who will manicure the forests? They will not manicure themselves, and I'm not too crazy about getting poison ivy all over my naked body, thanks. And who will take care of "us" who haven't a care, when the inevitable natural calamity occurs?
OK, I am really wanting to understand, and what I see is a glaring contradiction. You want "us" to be carefree, defined as not having a care. Yet, "level-headed reason (the human part)" demands caring, and caring demands responsibility. There is a chain that follows; government in the purest philosophical sense is the way a band of humans provide responsible caring to and for their fellow humans. This is what John Locke was alluding to. One cannot be carefree and caring simultaneously, the two are mutually exclusive. One cannot "not do" by "doing."when the animal is tranformed ... to the point where his gift to us, the form, is governed by level-headed Reason (the human part), and something altogether higher - or trans-Human - is put in charge.
It is no surprise I do not share this assessment. I have found no archeological evidence to support this position, only vague mythological hearsay.This can be true of an entire populace, and has been. Again it shall be in the future.
Ah, the eggshell dance. While I want to agree with the words, I also know that some of what is said here is code for "unity under 'our' brand of dominion." It is dominion under this brand that I most disagree with as it calls specifically for the neutering of my G!d-given path, along with the neutering of the G!d-given paths of millions of others.But right now (and until then), I will happily join you - and others - in celebrating the progress that all Nations have made, toward International Cooperation, and true Unity. Each has a part to play, a gift to share.
Agreed. Yet, must I "agree" with *all* sorts? Note, I did not say "tolerate;" by all means, live and let live, provided "they" allow me the same courtesy. Agreement, on the other hand, is not possible without surrender. Will you surrender to *me*? If not, then why should I surrender to *you*?As some might say, with a wry smile (at best), it takes all sorts. It does. Indeed.
With all due respect, isn't this implying one "knows" what *all* others are thinking? While I agree with the sentiment here in this day and age and place, my studies tell me that this sentiment is not always so. There have been and are cultures that place great value on their warriors. And it is the mothers that promulgate this value. Warriors are there for protection and for sustenance. Successful warriors mean successful hunters, and successful hunters mean the tribe continues to thrive. One need only point to Troy, Bodicea (British Celt), and Native Americans as examples, although the premise I laid out is pervasive around the world.It is the imperialist nature of those that rise to power that gets us all in trouble. I don't believe there is a mother that would prefer to send her son to kill another mother's son. Every mother wants a roof over her childrens heads, a dry warm bed, and food in their bellies...
Point being, it is not accurate to presume that every mother in every culture at every time ever did not place the virtues of being a warrior/ hunter/ provider into her son's mental and moral repertoire. Belief notwithstanding.
I general I agree. I think with things like the Patriot Act that we as citizens have been asked to surrender a great deal on the tenuous assurance of security. A wartime stance does things like that, the problem in our situation (the U.S.) is that once things are surrendered by whatever pretext, it is darn near impossible to get those liberties back. Which is why I am opposed to PA2, and I think PA1 should not have been allowed to renew. But in a more philosophical sense, for our own good we must give into a government of one sort of other, pool our resources as it were. We, collectively, can achieve so much more than a whole bunch of little "I's" running around trying to get their "fair share." Inevitably, toes will be stepped on and feelings will get hurt, and vendettas will get waged and vengeance will become the rule of the day. In short, anarchy. I still have yet to hear a viable argument in favor of anarchy, or an argument that isn't based on fantasy and wishful thinking.We've given up our power, allowed our Gov't to usurp it, 'for our own good'. What ever happen to the King or the Prince leading the charge down the mountain? If we decided our leaders had to lead the charge, if their sons had to be in the front lines...me thinks we'd have a lot less disputes in this world.
One may not particularly like what a specific government is doing, but it is really hard to justify being philosophically against *all* forms of government with any reasonable degree of rationality. Certainly not if one considers the reality of the human condition, historically and presently. And what the alternative truly entails.