Matrixism - A religion based on The Matrix

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  1. Cino

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    Vibrations and frequencies are, to my understanding, primarily properties of material reality: to get something to vibrate or oscillate at a given frequency, you need things like forces and fields and masses and so on, from which to construct the oscillator.

    I understand you are referring to some kind of conscious substrate. What is it that vibrates, then? Are you describing a back and forth between consciousness and unconscious states?

    Please elaborate on this intriguing idea, in your own words (I can google any number of memes in a minute, but only you can tell us about your understanding of reality).
     
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    It may be. It is what many seers and mystics have always suggested. However it's not what Bohr, Plank and Einstein suggested. They would have called it unsubstantiated "woo" that fails to grasp the hard-nose science, imo
     
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    The idea that the observer influences the outcome of the experiment is not equated to 'mind over matter' because the observer can be a rock or a computer. When particle A is observed to have spin-up -- it means entangled particle B is going to have spin-down, regardless of how far apart they are.

    In the two-slit experiment a light photon seems to be a wave that goes through both slits at once, but when it is observed it becomes a particle that passes through only one slit. But the observer can be a camera or a geiger-counter type device. Quantum science is not about 'mind over matter'.

    It's far too complicated for me to understand. But it is fascinating to try. I just know that these scientists hate having their life's work picked up and waved around by various mystic schools to try to explain things that it does not explain, and which it does not try to explain.

    It annoys them a lot and is part of the reason for the animosity many of them have toward 'mysticism' imo
     
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  4. Geo

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    Dr. Michio Kaku has spoken of the Matrix in his work.
    For some reason, despite what Einstein and others have said about Time, Kaku refers to our present understanding of computers.
    But, I've mentioned, what is a "machine" say a hundred years from now? Or 500, or 1000 in the future? (Were we given the chance to progress.)
    I bet The Matrix would cause Einstein much thought, if he were alive today.
    Cino, in my perception, the "Oscillator", is God Almighty. So, what did the chief rebel do then?

    Apparently, by causing Adam to sin he altered something regarding this creation which has caused so much chaos, and much confusion. And, involving this "organic" with this, "survival Instinct."
    Which has caused so much misery in humanity, and in the world, since the Fall.
    You don't agree?
     
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    Interesting. Now in a physical oscillator, like a pendulum, energy flows back and forth between two states. When the pendulum stands still at either extreme, all its energy is stored in the gravitational field, and at the lowest point, where the pendulum is fastest, it is all kinetic energy. The back-and forth happens regularly, at a given frequency determined by the properties of the pendulum.

    Now in the case of God, what does the frequency mean? what is it that swings back and forth, and how long does one cycle take? And does it mean that time is real for God, as otherwise it would not be meaningful to speak about his frequency?
     
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    This is your example. A pendulum.
    Not mine.
    More like His voice..?
    We know how the larnyx works in the organic.
    Yes?
    Generating vibrations..?

    Revelation 21:3
    "And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,"

    Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God~s-Voice

    Just as it was originally. In Paradise.

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    Good, let's discuss sound waves, thanks for providing this example!

    In a sound wave, there is a medium like air or water or a wall of bricks, which is vibrating, swinging back and forth, at a given frequency, so many times a second.

    How should I imagine the vibrations of God's voice to travel? What is the medium that moves back and forth, which volume of space does it move in, and, again, as frequency is "so many times per second", does this mean that time and space are after all real, even to God?

    I am not hung up on physical phenomena here, just exploring the metaphor of "everything is a vibration" you used.
     
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    The Big Bang did not propagate through time and space? It caused time and space?
     
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    That is my understanding, more or less.

    @Geo hinted at his view that physical reality is a consequence of "the translation of the frequenvies, and vibrations etc" in the mind, and that God has a certain frequency. I fully understand that this is metaphoric language, but am intrigued by the metaphor - frequency implying time, vibration implying a medium, and forces... how do these figure in the metaphor?
     
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    Thanks @Cino

    Again the main drift of this thread is not arguing against Matrixism as a movement in its own right, but about using isolated science and scripture quotes that don’t prove what they’re supposed to prove, accompanied by Facebook type memes and images that are supposed to nail it down

    It is a pity, because by moving away from the 'social media' type of presentation @Geo could open a sincere discussion on these forums with people who are genuinely interested in this sort of stuff, imo
     
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    Exactly my point. Thanks for summing it up.
     
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    Have you read the accounts of the delogs?

    According to the records, delogs surpass the NDE in that they can be dead for several hours or even several days, then revive spontaneously to tell of their otherworldly journeys. Their accounts are framed in Buddhist otherworldly landscapes and interactions with Buddhist persons, and emphasise the moral and spiritual teachings of Tibetan Buddhism. In that sense delogs combine contemporary NDE imagery and and ancient shamanism.

    A review in the Journal of Near Death Studies notes:
    "... comparing the Clear Light in The Tibetan Book of the Dead (or Bardo Thodol) and the experience of light in some near-death experiences (NDEs) does not adequately acknowledge either the diversity of NDEs or the possibility that the content of The Tibetan Book of the Dead may be metaphorical."
    This criticism applies to every account that assumes a religious connotation to an NDE.

    "Similarities ... may reflect similar underlying neural mechanisms and does not provide validation for either description. Any relevance of these descriptions to enlightenment is speculative."
    I would also add that the universal aspect of symbolic imagery, such as 'light' and 'dark', should not be overlooked.

    The point here is I applaud the efforts of the Journal, and others, in trying to discern what are valid interpretations and what aren't.

    NDEs, like Quantum Physics and Neuroscience, attract a huge amount of popular interest which clouds the field with all manner of unfounded assumptions and assertions.

    Kenneth Ring, a Professor of psychology, co-founder and past president of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) and founding editor of the Journal of Near-Death Studies addressed an open letter to the NDE community pointing out that the "issue of possible religious bias in near-death studies" has attracted a variety of religious and spiritual affiliations, from a number of traditions, which makes ideological claims that has compromised the integrity of research and discussion. ("Religious Wars in the NDE Movement: Some Personal Reflections on Michael Sabom's Light & Death". Journal of Near-Death Studies, 18.4, Summer 2000)

    If you find comfort in the reading of NDE accounts, then that is your personal and subjective take on the issue, but it is neither a proof nor infallible.

    But not physically timeless, I think. The evidence is there in Scripture: "And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" (Genesis 1:14). This was before the creation of the first humans, and they were placed in time and space ... that was their experience.

    Remember Paradise is not Heaven.

    And in that regard, I read 'timelessness' in the spiritual sense.

    I happen to think you're sadly pessimistic, and wrong.

    Because you cannot see the light, as it were, does not mean the light is not there.

    As the Ancients said: 'As above, so below'.

    It's a question of 'those with the eye to see'.

    Blake: Auguries of Innocence:
    "To see a World in a Grain of Sand
    And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
    Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
    And Eternity in an hour"

    I have my own experiences, more real and more meaningful to me than any NDE. But I do not present them as definitive statements of anything.

    But that state is always accessible, in an instant. God knows us better than we know ourselves, He is closer to us than our jugular vein.

    I happen to think so, although possibly not as you see it. But that is speculation/interpretation/supposition from Scripture, nowhere 'stated' in Scripture, which is the final authority.

    No, but then that does not mean God does not utilise the finite and contingent to bring His will into play in the finite and contingent realm.

    Some are, some aren't. I don't read them through a priori Christian suppositions. I try to let them speak for themselves, not say what I want them to say.

    Agreed, but that doesn't answer the question as to whether you believe we are pre-determined/pre-destined.
     
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    Didn't know that. Care to expand?
     
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    The greater reality and truth is not reflected in this predator/prey... temporary,...superficial... consequence, within this illusory, time and space paradigm.
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    Thomas -
    It's not a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic. It's our organic situation, since the fall of the first man, who lived to 930 years after the event.

    Regarding "Oscillations", we in this organic situation understand time to be linear.
    People have spoken of the Earth itself both being created, and then in a time scale, going through it's life cycle and then suffering an ending.
    Later starting again.
    But here is the thing...
    We don't know that with respect about "the big bang", if the Fall of the first man was not the cause of it, to develop this archaeological history we have in order to bring us to the epitomy of it, in, "God's Image".

    I've read how in the NDE's when people go through their memories of their past, it's as if they were actually there, again.
    Showing how in the Spirit, time does travel one way or the other.
    Past and future.
     
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    "ONLY HUMAN".

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    It's your view of our organic situation, that's all I meant.
     
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    The term 'paradise' does not occur in the Hebrew text of the creation. According to that, the Lord God plants 'a garden'. The Hebrew is gan, and means a garden, or an enclosed garden.

    The Septuagint translates garden as paradeisos, a Greek term thought to have come from the old Iranian via Persian, where it refers to the plantations and animal enclosures surrounding the palaces of Persian kings. A manicured garden, or a private park.

    The term 'paradise' passed into Hebrew language. In Nehemiah 2:8, Ecclesiastes 2:5 and Song of Solomon 4:13 it is still a garden.

    Thus it came to be associated with the Garden of Eden.

    Not until later, in post-exilic Hebrew speculation, that 'paradise' comes to be associated with the eschaton. Is a part of Sheol, the abode of the souls of the pious, until the resurrection. Even Luke's account of Jesus' words to the man crucified alongside him could be understood in relation to this particular paradise.

    But nowhere is it necessarily heaven. A heavenly place, perhaps, but not heaven as such.

    There is reference to 'heavenly paradise', but then the word is qualified by 'heaven', as opposed to earthly paradises.

    With regard to Revelations 2:7: "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" – we can still read this as 'garden of God' without distortion.
     
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    Does it matter RJM?
    Solomon speaks of an out of body experience, but generally is this known about? No!
    St. Paul, when he speaks of his, can hardly understand it himself! He knew it happened to him but how? And, with respect to what we read today, apart from time.
    Doesn't matter.
    It is enough that Jesus told the thief next to Him, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise."

    He was atoning for, "The sin of the world", as the Lamb of God.
     
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