What would have happened if Abraham had chosen first as elder and, knowing the dangers, chosen the "cities of the plain" and left the peaceful pastures to Lot?
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What would have happened if Abraham had chosen first as elder and, knowing the dangers, chosen the "cities of the plain" and left the peaceful pastures to Lot?
pattimax
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Don't know, but possibly Lot's wife wouldn't have met with a mineral demise.
I thought Abraham's pliability was the point.
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cyberpi
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Interesting question. Abraham would not of had the immediate daughters to have drunken sex with (Genesis 19) to repopulate.
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Dondi
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Incidently, the Moabites and the Ammonites, the peoples that were the result of Lot's incestuous relationship with his daughters, were a constant bane to the nation of Israel in later years, always at war with each other. Goes to show that no good thing can come out of such deplorable sin as this.
pattimax
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Ruth was the great-great grandmother of David. She was a Moabitess. Fourteen generations later, out of the line of David, our Messiah was born.
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Romans 8:28
I understand what you mean, but Jesus Christ was a very, very good thing.
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cyberpi
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Are you kidding me? Is that a joke? Where did you find that Koolaid?
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Dondi
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Dondi
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Ruth was a very graceful exception to the rule. She is an example of the Gentile Bride of Christ in compliment to Naomi's redemption of Israel.
pattimax
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Nicely said.
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cyberpi
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I think Genesis 19:9 is the more important verse. Remember that Lot was found righteous. The men of the city said about Lot, "This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge;" Remember, Lot was also found righteous by God. As God said, the city of Sodom was NOT going to be destroyed with him in it.
What about the men of the city? As they said, "now we will deal worse with you than with them." They did not like to hear judgment and they even condemned it.. (oppressed, punished).
But you and I are trying to judge what is rightful. Would you tell a child, "I'm sorry, but your grand-daddy was also your great-grand-daddy. You were born into sin and now you have eat the wrath so take this gun and go make your grand-daddy proud"? Do you believe it? Is that really the Moabites and the Ammonites?
I submit that it is the parents though who raise their children to be sinners as a generation by NOT giving and hearing the judgment from each other for what they believe is right, or when someone does sin... but as a judgment without condemning. The difference between condemn (with action) and judge (words only) is forgiveness. To condemn judgment risks being Sodom. I can see that people wrongly judge what they can not possibly see, or do it for their own beliefs or desires, but at least everyone learns something about it in the process. I simply do not disconnect the internet for fear of NOT being able to handle someone else's words.
In summary, to me Sodom was NOT about God condemning a town. It was about a town condemning the judgment of each other, probably all kinds of decay as a result, and then getting condemned for it.