The Name "Lucifer"

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  1. Bruce Michael

    Bruce Michael New Member

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    Dear All,


    Some details:
    Lucifer is identified with Loki and the Arabian Iblis.
    Some more on the name "Lucifer":
    The title Lucetius is applied to Jupiter. "But from another standing-point, Bryant derives these terms from El-Luk, a title of the sun among the Egyptians and Babylonians, the initial vowel being finally elided."
    The Symbolical Language of Ancient Art and Mythology, R.P. Knight.


    Remember too, our St. Luke- another lightbearer.




    -Br.Bruce
     
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    Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.
     
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    Hi Mee —

    You are right, the term Lucifer deployed in the Christian lexicon has a particular psychodynamic aspect, and the 'luciferian tendency' identified by the Greek Fathers was unique to them, and bore little if any resemblance to the 'adversary' of the Hebraic Scriptures. Christianity and Judaism differ quite significantly in this regard.

    The used the term Lucifer, loosely based on the text of Isaiah, but we need to be careful not to assume that Venus, the Day Star — the allusion of the prophet Isaiah as one who tries to outshine the sun — is in every instance a synonym for the adversarial tendency. The New Testament uses Venus as a positive metaphor for both the Incarnate Son, and the illumination of the soul.

    As ever, the Fathers were guided by philosophy, rather than Hebraic phenomenology or pagan polytheism, so were inclined to read the metaphysical significance of Scripture.

    Thomas
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I'd just ignore it lol... I have stated that like 666,000,000 times..... :|But, you know how people are mee.... love their fantasy land...
     
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    The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I was looking into the Dialect/Language of my county, Devon.... Because I find it very intresting and so on and so forth, anyway.... It reminds me that down here we call him "dowel"... :D Ere, tiz be the dowel! be a-veered! very a-veered!" Yeah, anyway.... That strikes me because now I am thinking who cares? Lucifier, Satan, Devil, Dowel, Bob, Jane, Samantha OR even Loki... And that is a Norse gods name it doesn't matter, you called call him Jah if you wanted... It still just relates to a name,.... Who cares about the name? It doesn't really mean a thing, it is just a title/tag to identify something.... So it baffles me, now that I have seen it... and it has clicked who cares what someone else calls the characters.... They are still the same characters.
     
  7. Bruce Michael

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    Hi Mee,
    'Lucifer' cannot be an original name in the Bible because it is Roman. 'Jehovah' is not scriptural either.

    Lucifer is not Satan- they are two different adversarial beings- though often confused.

    In the nineteenth century Dr. Anna Kingsford was able to discern the differences between Lucifer and Satan.

    God Bless,
    Br.Bruce
     
  8. mee

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    was doing a bit of studying about lucifer and came upon this .
    Questions From Readers...........taken from the 2002 issue of the watchtower mag

    • Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?

    The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”

    The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

    Who is this Lucifer? The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

    Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: “To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”—Isaiah 14:13, 14.

    “The stars of God” are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:17) From David onward, these “stars” ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion three times a year. Thus, it became “the mountain of meeting.” By determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above those “stars.” Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them, he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah’s place. So it is after being cut down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as the “shining one.”

    The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.................. taken from a watchtower mag 2002 issue
     
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    I don't usually agree with much in the Watchtower, but I think this is quite correct: the "shining one" passage, although it can be applied as a metaphor for Evil in general, was intended originally to refer to a particular political figure in a particular time.
     
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    I have found many nice little gems in the watchtower mag and they are all based on the genuine treasure of the bible truth:)
     

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