A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?

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A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?


On the cross, when Jesus is present in such a horrible condition, the two theives who were also crucified got the same universal doubt that how the Lord in human form is crucified who is crying loudly asking "Oh! Lord! Why did you leave Me?" This scene will clearly establish the doubt in the heart of any human being that Jesus cannot be the Lord. The doubt comes with a main point that why the Lord was unable to protect Himself and that How can He protect others? But the doubter should also think the scene in which Lord Jesus asked a dead body to become alive. Only the Lord has the power to give the life. Thus we find both the contradicting concepts of the Lord and the human body of the Lord.

The concept of the Lord attracts the human beings. The concept of the human body tests the human beings and filters the real devotee out of them. The second thief believed Holy Jesus as the Lord even in that pathetic condition. Such devotion is great and real. He did not show this belief when he saw the Holy Jesus raising the dead body. When a girl loved the son of a king who is in the disguise of a beggar, such love is great. When the king declares himself as the king, every girl loves him to marry and become the queen. The thief did not ask any worldly desire. He could have asked Holy Jesus to give Him the life itself and Holy Jesus could have given it because He is still the Lord even on the cross. The thief asked only protection in the upper world and did not ask for any materialistic boon.

Thus he is certainly a higher devotee also. He did not see any miracle and believed Holy Jesus as the Lord, who placed Himself in such a worst situation. The human incarnation is a game of the Lord (Narayana) and human body (Nara). The thief showed correct understanding of the human incarnation. The internal Lord is great and the external human body follows all the natural rules. A blade can cut even the shirt of a king. Even though his shirt is cut the king does not loose his powers and quality of kindness. The thief approached the internal Lord and the internal Lord assured the thief. This shows how realized soul the thief is? That is the highest test for the faith in the spirituality and so the thief deserves complete grace of the Lord. The other thief got confused the Lord with the human body. Like all the other human beings he thought if the shirt of a king is torn, the king lost all his powers.

Gita says that even the highest criminal is blessed by the Lord if he is a real devotee (Apichet Sa duracharah…..). The Lord considers the faith and devotion as the criteria and not the qualities of the devotee. We pay for the contents in the cup and not for the colour or material of the cup. Kannappa, a hunter was given salvation by Lord Shiva. The Lord sees the selfless sacrifice and faith, which are the fruits of real devotion and real knowledge. When Lakshmana became unconcious Rama was weeping. Hanuman brought the Sanjeevi Hill and saved Lakshmana. Rama expressed His gratefulness to Hanuman. In this scene even the audience will believe that Hanuman is God and Rama is a devotee. But Hanuman Himself declared that He could do the service by the grace of the Lord Rama only. This is a test for His faith and faith is the fruit of determination that comes out from the divine knowledge. Sacrifice is fruit of the devotion or love. Lord tests your faith and your sacrifice so that you will know in what stage of divine knowledge and devotion you are.
 
dattaswami1 said:
A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?


On the cross, when Jesus is present in such a horrible condition, the two theives who were also crucified got the same universal doubt that how the Lord in human form is crucified who is crying loudly asking "Oh! Lord! Why did you leave Me?" This scene will clearly establish the doubt in the heart of any human being that Jesus cannot be the Lord. The doubt comes with a main point that why the Lord was unable to protect Himself and that How can He protect others? But the doubter should also think the scene in which Lord Jesus asked a dead body to become alive. Only the Lord has the power to give the life. Thus we find both the contradicting concepts of the Lord and the human body of the Lord.

The concept of the Lord attracts the human beings. The concept of the human body tests the human beings and filters the real devotee out of them. The second thief believed Holy Jesus as the Lord even in that pathetic condition. Such devotion is great and real. He did not show this belief when he saw the Holy Jesus raising the dead body. When a girl loved the son of a king who is in the disguise of a beggar, such love is great. When the king declares himself as the king, every girl loves him to marry and become the queen. The thief did not ask any worldly desire. He could have asked Holy Jesus to give Him the life itself and Holy Jesus could have given it because He is still the Lord even on the cross. The thief asked only protection in the upper world and did not ask for any materialistic boon.

Thus he is certainly a higher devotee also. He did not see any miracle and believed Holy Jesus as the Lord, who placed Himself in such a worst situation. The human incarnation is a game of the Lord (Narayana) and human body (Nara). The thief showed correct understanding of the human incarnation. The internal Lord is great and the external human body follows all the natural rules. A blade can cut even the shirt of a king. Even though his shirt is cut the king does not loose his powers and quality of kindness. The thief approached the internal Lord and the internal Lord assured the thief. This shows how realized soul the thief is? That is the highest test for the faith in the spirituality and so the thief deserves complete grace of the Lord. The other thief got confused the Lord with the human body. Like all the other human beings he thought if the shirt of a king is torn, the king lost all his powers.

Gita says that even the highest criminal is blessed by the Lord if he is a real devotee (Apichet Sa duracharah…..). The Lord considers the faith and devotion as the criteria and not the qualities of the devotee. We pay for the contents in the cup and not for the colour or material of the cup. Kannappa, a hunter was given salvation by Lord Shiva. The Lord sees the selfless sacrifice and faith, which are the fruits of real devotion and real knowledge. When Lakshmana became unconcious Rama was weeping. Hanuman brought the Sanjeevi Hill and saved Lakshmana. Rama expressed His gratefulness to Hanuman. In this scene even the audience will believe that Hanuman is God and Rama is a devotee. But Hanuman Himself declared that He could do the service by the grace of the Lord Rama only. This is a test for His faith and faith is the fruit of determination that comes out from the divine knowledge. Sacrifice is fruit of the devotion or love. Lord tests your faith and your sacrifice so that you will know in what stage of divine knowledge and devotion you are.
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Because the Man asked GOD for forgiveness. And GOD said "YES" lol

It is that simple with the relationship between God and Man.

v/r

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Quahom1 said:
Because the Man asked GOD for forgiveness. And GOD said "YES" lol

It is that simple with the relationship between God and Man.

v/r

Q
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Yeah. The man believed Jesus, so he declared unto him righteousness
 
dattaswami1 said:
The internal Lord is great and the external human body follows all the natural rules. A blade can cut even the shirt of a king. Even though his shirt is cut the king does not lose his powers and quality of kindness.
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A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?

By KNOWING Jesus IS Lord. THE 'gita says a lot of wonderful things, but it is NOT God's word and if you ever truly study Christianity (maybe just for the knowledge), you would understand the futilty of what you are attempting to do.
 
Interesting observations, dattaswami1. I would prefer that if you are going to speak of such biblical accounts that you provide a reference for the benefit of all inquirers.

"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." - Luke 23:39-43

It is instructive to examine the text to glean clues as to the motivations and mindset of the participants of the scene. The first malefactor seemed to mock Jesus, suggesting that He save them and Himself. But this thief seen only concerned with the immediate temporal situation. What if Jesus did save them form the physical torture and death on the cross? What then? Would the Romans try and crucify them again if they miraculously escaped the cross? Or perhaps the Romans would just kill them outright by the sword to ensure that justice was carried out. But the mistake of the first thief is that he lumped Jesus together with their own fate. The two thieves were rightly being condemned for their actions, but Jesus committed no crime. This was recognized by the second thief. He knew he deserved to die and made no attempt to escape execution. But he saw the innocence of Jesus, which became the catalyst for his faith. He saw Jesus as a sinless man being unjustly crucified and somehow saw something beyond that. There is no indication in the text that the second thief was familiar with Jesus prior to the crucifixtion, but I would be hard pressed to believe that he didn't have some kind of prior knowledge of Jesus, either from direct observation or maybe caught wind of some of his teachings. Or more realistically, he heard Jesus say up on that cross, "Father forgive them" in regard to those who crucified Him. Regardless, the second thief recognized Jesus as something more than an ordinary man. A man who was willing to forgive those who were trying to kill him. Perhaps in a last grasp straw, this motivated the thief to implore to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when thou commest into thy kingdom". Several things to note here. He called him "Lord". Now that could be just the common address usage, rather than a reference to deity, but it does show a subservient attitude to Jesus, a change of status from regarding Jesus as a like common criminal to realizing that Jesus had a higher status above his own. "Remember me" denotes a future action, addressed to Someone who didn't appear to have much of a future. This tells me that the thief believed that Christ would somehow survive the Cross. "When thou comest into thy kingdom" recognizes Jesus as King with a kingdom, but also that Jesus will enter into it. It was simply a request for the thief to be part of that kingdom, even though the thief knew he didn't deserve it. The thief believed in the mercy and forgiveness of God. Thus Jesus' assurance that "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise." It all boiled down to simple faith in Christ.
 
Dondi said:
Interesting observations, dattaswami1. I would prefer that if you are going to speak of such biblical accounts that you provide a reference for the benefit of all inquirers.

"And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." - Luke 23:39-43

It is instructive to examine the text to glean clues as to the motivations and mindset of the participants of the scene. The first malefactor seemed to mock Jesus, suggesting that He save them and Himself. But this thief seen only concerned with the immediate temporal situation. What if Jesus did save them form the physical torture and death on the cross? What then? Would the Romans try and crucify them again if they miraculously escaped the cross? Or perhaps the Romans would just kill them outright by the sword to ensure that justice was carried out. But the mistake of the first thief is that he lumped Jesus together with their own fate. The two thieves were rightly being condemned for their actions, but Jesus committed no crime. This was recognized by the second thief. He knew he deserved to die and made no attempt to escape execution. But he saw the innocence of Jesus, which became the catalyst for his faith. He saw Jesus as a sinless man being unjustly crucified and somehow saw something beyond that. There is no indication in the text that the second thief was familiar with Jesus prior to the crucifixtion, but I would be hard pressed to believe that he didn't have some kind of prior knowledge of Jesus, either from direct observation or maybe caught wind of some of his teachings. Or more realistically, he heard Jesus say up on that cross, "Father forgive them" in regard to those who crucified Him. Regardless, the second thief recognized Jesus as something more than an ordinary man. A man who was willing to forgive those who were trying to kill him. Perhaps in a last grasp straw, this motivated the thief to implore to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when thou commest into thy kingdom". Several things to note here. He called him "Lord". Now that could be just the common address usage, rather than a reference to deity, but it does show a subservient attitude to Jesus, a change of status from regarding Jesus as a like common criminal to realizing that Jesus had a higher status above his own. "Remember me" denotes a future action, addressed to Someone who didn't appear to have much of a future. This tells me that the thief believed that Christ would somehow survive the Cross. "When thou comest into thy kingdom" recognizes Jesus as King with a kingdom, but also that Jesus will enter into it. It was simply a request for the thief to be part of that kingdom, even though the thief knew he didn't deserve it. The thief believed in the mercy and forgiveness of God. Thus Jesus' assurance that "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise." It all boiled down to simple faith in Christ.
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Jesus tells that unless one is prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of God, one cannot become the dearest disciple of God. In fact crucifixion of Jesus was not only to save the real devotees from their sins but also to create kindness in the hearts of even cruel people so that they will be attracted towards spiritual path. Hence, the crucifixion of Jesus was completely a part of the divine program of God. Hence, Jesus accepted it to fulfill the work of God.

If you take the case of Hanuman ( a real devotee of Lord), He wanted to commit suicide in the service of His contemporary Human incarnation while searching for Sita ( a female devotee). The result of such sacrifice is that Hanuman became the future creator and Jesus sat on the right side of God. When Krishna left His body Gopikas jumped into fire while their husbands were alive. They have sacrificed not only their lives but also the tradition of jumping into fire only on the occasion of the death of the husband. They attained Goloka, which is above the abode of God. Such examples of Hanuman, Jesus and Gopikas stand only as inspiring ideals for ordinary human beings so that at least every human being can at least get pass marks.
 
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