CONCEPT OF GOD IN Islam and Hinduism

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  1. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    The most popular amongst the Aryan religion is Hinduism
    1.Common concept of God in Hinduism:
    If you ask a common Hindu that how many Gods he believe in, some may say three some may say thirty three, some may say a thousand while some may say thirty three crore i.e. 330 millions. But if you ask this question to a Hindu learned man who is well Versed with the Hindu scriptures, he will reply that the Hindu should actually believe and worship only one God.
    2.Difference between Islam and Hinduism is ‘s’
    (Everything is ‘God’s’ - everything is ‘God’):
    The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim is that the common Hindu believes in philosophy of Pantheism i.e. everything is God, the tree is God, the sun is God, the moon is God, the snake is God, the monkey is God, the human being is God.
    The Muslims believe that everything is God’s. God with and apostrophe ‘s’. Everything belongs to God, the tree belongs to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, monkey belongs to God, the human being belongs to God.
    Thus the major difference between the Hindus and the Muslims is the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God’s, God with an apostrophe ‘s’. If we can solve the difference of the apostrophe ‘s’, the Hindus and the Muslims will be united.
    The Holy Qur’an says, “Come to common terms as between us and you”, which is the first term? “That we worship none but Allah”, so lets come to common terms by analyzing the scripture of the Hindus and the Muslim.
    3.Bhagwad Geeta 7:20
    The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagwad Geeta. Bhagwad Geeta mentions in Chapter 7, Verse 20, “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires worship demigods” that is “Those who are materialistic, they worship demigods” i.e. besides the true God.
    4.Upanishad
    Upanishad are also one of the sacred scriptures of the Hindus.
    (i) Chandogya Upanishad, Chapter 6, Section 2, Verse 1
    It is mentioned in the Chandogya Upanishad, Prapathaka(Chapter) 6, Khanda(Section)2, Shloka(Verse) “Ekam evaditiyam”, “He is one only without a second”.
    The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan, page 447 and 448(sacred books of the east Volume 1 the Upanishads, part I, page 93)
    a)(ii) Similar to what is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 1, “Say he is Allah one and only”.
    b) (i) Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 9
    It is mentioned in the Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 6, Shloka(Verse) 9, “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah” “Of him there is neither parents nor lord”.
    na tasya kascit patir asti loke, na cesita naiva ca tasya lingam, na karanam karanadhipadhipo na casya kascij janita na cadhipah”.
    “Of him there is no master in the world, no ruler, nor is there any mark of him. He is the cause, the lord of the lords of the sense organs; of him there is neither progenitor nor lord”.
    (The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745 and in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishads, part II, page 263)
    (ii) Similar message is given in Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 3,
    “He begets not, nor is he begotten”.
    (i) In Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 4, Verse 19
    It is mentioned in Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 19,
     
  2. noctuary

    noctuary Mercurial Goddess

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    Hi. Can you stop copying and pasting stuff and just talk to us? Come sit and chat.
     
  3. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    Na tasya pratima asti” “There is no likeness of him”.
    nainam urdhvam na tiryancam na madhye na parijagrabhat na tasya pratima asti yasya nama mahad yasah” “There is no likeness of him whose name is great glory”.
    (The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737 and in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad, part II, page 253)
    c)(ii) Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 4,
    “And there is none like unto him”.
    c) (iii) Surah Shura, Chapter 42, Verse 11 and also in Surah Shura, Chapter 42, Verse 11,
    “There is nothing whatever like unto him”.
    d)(i) In Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 4, Verse 20
    It is mentioned in Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 20,
    na samdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” “his form cannot be seen, no one sees him with the eye”
    nasamdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam. Hrda hrdistham manasa ya enam, evam vidur amrtas te bhavanti
    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees him with the eye. Those who through heart and mind know him as abiding in the heart become immortal”.
    (The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737 & in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad part II, page 253)
    e)(ii) Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Anam, Chapter 6, Verse 103,
    “No vision can grasp him. But his grasp is over all vision: he is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things”.
    5. Yajurveda
    Vedas are the most sacred amongst all the Hindu scriptures, there are principally 4 Vedas, Rigved, Yajurved, Samved and Atharvaved.
    a) Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3
    It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 32, Verse 3
    na tasya pratima asti” “There is no image of Him”
    It further says as “He is unborn, He deserves our worship”
    “There is no image of him whose glory verily is great. He sustains within himself all luminous objects like the sun etc. may he not harm me, this is my prayer. As he is unborn, he deserves our worship”.
    (The Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377)
    b) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8
    It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 40, Verse 8, “He is body less and pure”
    “He hath attained unto the bright, bodiless, woundless, sinewless, the pure which evil hath not pierced. Far-sighted wise, encompassing, he self existent hath prescribed aims as propriety demands unto the everlasting years”
    (Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph I.H. Griffith page 538)
    c) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 9
    It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 40, Verse 9
    Andhatma pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste
    “They enter darkness, those who worship natural things” For e.g. air, water, fire etc.
    It further continues and says, “They sink deeper in darkness those who worship Sambhuti i.e. created things”, For example table, chair, idol etc.
    “Deep into shade of blinding gloom fall asambhuti’s worshippers. They sink to darkness deeper yet who on sambhuti are intent”
    (Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T.H. Griffith page 538)
    6. Atharvaveda
    a) (i) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn (Chapter) 58, Verse 3
    It is mentioned in Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn (Chapter) 58, Verse 3
    Dev maha osi” “God is verily great”
    “Verily, surya, thou art great; truly, aditya, thou art great. As thou art great indeed thy greatness is admired: yea, verily, great art thou, O God”
    (Atharvaveda Samhiti Volume 2, William Dwight Whitney page 910)
    a) (ii) Surah Rad, Chapter 13, Verse 9
    A similar message is given in Qur’an Surah Rad, Chapter 13, Verse 9,
    “He is the Great, the most High.”
    7.Rigveda
    The most oldest and sacred amongst all the Vedas is Rigveda.
    a) Rigveda, Book No.1, Hymn No. 164, Verse 46
    It is mentioned in Rigveda Book no.1, Hymn no.164 Verse 46
    “Sages (learned Priest) call one God by many names”
    “They have styled (Him, God or the sun) indra (the resplendent), mitra (the surveyor), varuna (the venerable), agni (the adorable), and he is the celestial, well-winged garutmat (the great), for learned priests call one by many names as they speak of the adorable as yama (ordainer) and matarisvan (cosmic breath)”.
    b) (i) Rigveda, Book 2, Hymn 1
    Rigveda gives no less than 33 different attributes to Almighty God several of these attributes are mentioned in Rigveda, Book 2, Hymn 1
    b) (ii) Brahma - Creator - Khaliq, Rigveda Book 2, Hymn 1, Verse 3
    Amongst the various attributes given in Rigveda one of the beautiful attributes for Almighty God is ‘Brahma’. ‘Brahma’ means ‘the creator’. If you translate into Arabic it means ‘Khaliq’. We Muslims have got no objection if you call Almighty God a ‘Khaliq’ or ‘Creator’ or ‘Brahma’ but if someone says that ‘Brahma’ is Almighty God who has got 4 heads and on each head is a crown and he has got 4 hands. We Muslims take strong except to it because you are giving an image to Almighty God. Moreover you are going against Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3, which says,
    Na tasya pratima asti” ‘”There is no image of him”
    b) (iii) Vishnu - Sustainer - Rabb: Rigveda, Book II, Hymn 1, Verse3
    Another beautiful attribute mentioned in the Rigveda, Book II, Hymn 1, Verse 3, is Vishnu, ‘Vishnu’ means ‘the Sustainer’. If you translate into Arabic it means ‘Rabb’, we Muslims have no objection if anyone call Almighty God as ‘Rabb’ or ‘Sustainer’ or ‘Vishnu’ but if someone says Vishnu is Almighty God who has got 4 arms. One of the right arm holding the ‘Chakra’ i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘Conch shell’ and he is riding on a bird or reclining on a snake couch. We Muslims take strong exception to this, because you are giving an image to Almighty God. Moreover you are going against Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8.
    c) Rigveda, Book 8, Hymn 1, Verse 1
    It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 8, Hymn 1, Verse 1
    Ma Chidanyadia Shansata
    “Do not worship anybody but Him, the divine one Praise Him alone”
    Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata in dram it stota vrishanam saca sute muhaur uktha ca sansata”.
    “O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the divine one. Let no grief perturb you. Praise Him alone, the radiant, the showerer of benefits. During the course of self-realization, go on repeatedly uttering Hymns in His honour”.
    (Rigveda Samhiti, Volume IX, page 1 and 2 by Swami Satyaprakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidhya Lankar)
    d) (i) Rigveda, Book 5, Hymn 81, Verse 1
    It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 5, Hymn 81, Verse 1,
    “Verily great is the glory of the divine creator”
    (Rigveda Samhiti, Volume 6, page 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidhyalanka)
    d) (ii) Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 2
    Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an In Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 2,
    “Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds”.
    e) (i) Rigveda, Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 1
    It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 1
    “The bounteous giver”
    (Hymns of Rigveda, Volume 2, page 377, by Ralph T.H. Griffith)
    e) (ii) Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 3
    Same as Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 3, “Most Gracious, most merciful”
    f) (i) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 160
    It is mentioned in Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 16
    “Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wonder”
    “By goodly path lead us to riches, Agni, thou God who knowest all our works and wisdom. Remove the sin that makes us astray and wander: most ample adoration will we bring thee”
    (The Yajurveda Samhiti by Ralph T.H Griffith Page 541)
    f) (ii) Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 6 and 7
    Similar message is given in Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 6 and 7
    “Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom thou has bestowed thy grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath. And who go not astray”.

    g) Rigveda, Book No VI, Hymn 45, Verse 16
    It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book VI, Hymn 45, Verse 16
    Ya eka ittamushtuhi
    “Praize Him who is the matchless and alone.”
    (Hymns of Rigveda by Ralph T.H. Griffith page 648)
    8. Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta
    The Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta is:
    Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste nen na naste kinchan
    Bhagwan ek hi hai dusara nahi hai, nahi hain nahi hai zara bhi nahi hai.”
    “There is only one God, not the second, not at all, not in the least bit.”
    Therefore only if you read the Hindu Scripture will you understand the correct concept of God in Hinduism.
     
  4. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    First thing im not copying this is what i learnt a student of comparitive religion okay answer these points and i will reply okay, and we will chat okay.
     
  5. noctuary

    noctuary Mercurial Goddess

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    Come on. No one uses *iii etc in typing.
     
  6. marmalade

    marmalade New Member

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    It is an a nice topic, but I must admit it seems like copying considering the second post is longer than someone can type up in the three minutes lapse after the first post. There isn't any problem with copying per se. Even if it weren't copying, its a bit overwhelming for a discussion thread. Glancing through your first two posts, I wasn't even sure what your opinion on the matter was.

    Do you have a question?

    Or are you just sharing something interesting?

    If so, why do you find it interesting?
     
  7. Joedjr

    Joedjr A Sometimes Member

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    Hi islamis4u,
    It's great to learn about the tradition and character of the world's religions. In exploring these things, what you have found, what effect has it had on your thought of what is G-d, and what He expects of you?

    Joe
     
  8. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    It's not the first time we've had a Muslim proselytise at Hindus here.

    A polite request - please join in discussions and stop pasting from other sites, otherwise the posts get removed along with your posting privileges.
     
  9. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    Again again always pointing out Muslims i want to discuss this issue okay if you do not like it do not reply okay, one more thing is okay now i have pointed out so many i will start discussing okay now if you Hindu scripture have something about One God then, i humbly ask why you worship so many man made Gods? I want to remove my misconception may be it will help me to convert to Hinduism.



    And about typing thing thing is that i told that i have my own site running with the name islamis4u so my internet service is not very fast and im also a student so i have to have study also and i copied it from my site and i do not want to write all again this much that is from my own site.
     
  10. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    Okay i agree with you, then tell some moderator to delete these posts and i want to ask why do not Hindu believe in one God?
     
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    Hi islamis4u,
    Just my guess, the Hindu believes what he has learned from his teachers. As it seems the students of other religions also.
    Joe
     
  12. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    I know you are just guessing then what about their scriptures?
     
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    Respected noctury,
    Peace be on you.

    We learn throw different media, to acquire knowledge reading play an important role.
    It is better to acknowledge the name of author as I think.
    But the point, what you deny or differ of her /his post?

    " . . . come let us reason together."
    Isaiah 1:16
     
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    I give my thanks to islamis4u,


    Comparative religion is an interesting subject as well as it can turn as boomerang.
    So, it is better to move slowly with firm step.
    Oneness of God , the one and only God (Allah) is the central focus of the thread.


    Veda, Upanishad, Gita (Hindu Scriptures)can be discuss but depends , who are reading.


    I assume this is a Christian Catholic forum and hoisted from Europe or USA.
    Today, Islam facing major discrepancy with Christianity.
    Most interesting, all are using the name of religion but the hidden agenda is different.
    Is there any war , why others do not agree in incarnation of Jesus as God?
    Is there any war , why we do not accept “I am Omega I am Alpha?”
     
  15. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I wish to raise a complaint.... Now I am not one to complain but, there is no justice on this site... Islamis4u, fair enough maybe copying and pasting, I do not know as I am not sat looking over his/her shoulder, however you threaten to remove his/her "posting privileges" yet if I may give an example; Mee has been here for what a year or so? What has he done BUT copy and paste, yet there is no warning to him or anything to make him change his attitude and way of posting on this site, this Muslim has been here not even a month and instantly you are making demands on him/her which you do not place on others.... Can you understand how I feel I -must- complain about this? I'll PM you also just to make sure you do not miss this post....

    Regards
    17.
     
  16. marmalade

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    I absolutely love discussing comparative religion/mythology.;) I tend to see religion from a mythicist perspective along with mystical attitude. I do know some about Hinduism and some about Sufism, but my knowledge is far from immense.

    I'm totally for Oneness of God. In fact, I'm for oneness of everything. I find the various pan- philosophies intriguing(pantheism, panpsychism, etc). Some Hindus believe in pantheism, and I'd suspect that some Sufi mystics might also.

    I don't know where this forum is hoisted from, but I severely doubt its being run by Catholics. I was raised in New Thought Christianity, but have been influenced by so many different faiths and views that I mainly consider myself a spiritual agnostic these days.

    I dislike strong fundamentalists of any religion, but I have no particular opinion about most religions. In particular, my knowledge of Islam is so meagre that I wouldn't presume to have an opinion beyond a political one about terrorists, but given the right conditions terrorists will arise in any fundamentalist religion. American fundamentalists are peaceful simply because they have life too easy to want to revolt against the secular society.

    As for incarnated deities and monotheism, I have no major issue with these. I prefer a monistic non-dual philosophy, but I do sometimes find it helpful to think about spirituality in terms of a personal monotheistic deity.
     
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    al Quran, surah Noor: God is the Light of the heavens and the earth:the likeness of his light is as a niche wherein is a lamp (the lamp is a glass, the glass as it were a glittering star) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive that is neither of the east nor of the west whose oil wellnigh shine, even if no fire touched it: Light upon light (God guides to his light whom He will).

    Of course I dont understand Arabic- this is a translation provided by my friend who can.

    interpretation: this Surah is alway interpreted as a parable, usually as follows: in this verse imagery is used 'as if' to convey both the ineffable nature of the godhead and also the 'peace' (salaam) which comes by 'seeing' the 'light' of this godhead. it is also meant to convey the incomprehensible transcendence and 'otherness' of God. i am being brief because you would be familiar with various interpretations of this surah or would be able to find out from the sources from where you have been copy-pasting stuff.

    however, what you will never know is that this surah is one of the most beautiful description of the vision of godhead that appears before the closed eyes when one is in deep meditation. the sufis know of it i am sure but not the people who spout vitriol about how great islam is and how irrelevant other paths to spirituality are.

    similarly, the other religious texts in general and the ancient hindu texts in particular are full of condensed symbolic descriptions of experiences from the depth of meditation. few can understand them.

    if you are interested in outward labored mentations on the 'logical' understanding of God and which 'book' is the greatest etc, it is your choice and I respect that. there is merit in it. it is good mental exercise to say the least.

    but if you are interested in God, there are only two ways I know of that can be of help (there would undoubtedly be infinite ways of reaching out to that which is infinite but these are the the two ways i can tell you about). one is to take yourself to a secluded spot and spent eons looking into the substance of your mind- like buddha, christ and many others beside who are lesser known did. as long as it takes, till the mind falls away and you are able to see that which lies behind, that which is described in the Surah Noor. second is to find a person who has already seen that light and fall on his feet. beg him to show you the path he knows and to help you walk on that path. there are such people out there but you wont find them advertising themselves. forget whether he is a hindu, muslim, buddhist or christian. for such a man has crossed over to the other side. he is beyond religions. he is same as HIM.

    as for the 'concept' of god in any religion. it is impossible to have any concept. mind and intellect are limited, they essentially cannot contain the concept of infinite. just like a small vessel can hold some water....the same substance that the oceans are made of, but cannot contain the ocean itself. we can only allude to 'God' and that too only in a very small part indeed.

    one can learn a lot from reading a little, or learn nothing from reading a lot........

    om shanti
     
  18. islamis4u

    islamis4u Vision To Spread Islam

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    I thank what you said i may not be very old here but i have seen many posts which hurts our feelings but i Have A Dialogue with them may be i agree that im doing wrong and i will talk not copy. having said so im again said same thing in other post i do not know every Mod and Admin is singling me out of all other.

    Having said so i would say that i would not be copying anything again okay!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    One thing that can help is that when you do paste something from elsewhere, make sure to link to the site or at least mention where its coming from. That way people know where you're getting your ideas from, and they can go check out the context you were taking it from. In this thread, it seemed obvious that you were cutting and pasting, but you made no mention until your fourth post that it was coming from your own site.

    Also, your first two posts were fairly long. If you're going to paste, then maybe paste in smaller chunks. I've found that many people don't take the time to read long posts especially when its something that takes a fair amount of thought to understand.

    I was a bit confused by your initial post. It wasn't clear to me what your intentions were or what kind of responses you were looking for. So, if pasting, then give a short introduction to explain why your posting it.
     
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    Vajradhara One of Many

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