Re: Article: follow up article from the G-d Squad
Thanks, Juan, for posting this. Very interesting... I'll have a go...
I'm sure everyone by now knows which of the two I follow.
That said:
--Why do you believe that quoting passages from the New Testament will convince those who don't believe the New Testament is true, and thus don't believe the passages you're quoting are true?
I don't. I'm not really into convincing people about the validity of any particular sacred text. I think the Spirit of God works in people of all religions- any person who has the intent to learn. "Those who seek, find." Interestingly, if your life is your testimony and you quote the NT gently, at appropriate times when people are open to it, people of other faiths don't have a problem with it. It's only a problem when you're using the text to sell religion.
--If someone has considered Jesus' messianic claims and rejected them, why can't you leave them alone and prayerfully accept their rejection of the gift you believe you've offered them?
I offer the gift of Christ through my life, not through my discussion of messianic claims. To be honest, I'm not sure Jesus claimed to be what Christianity said he claimed. The more I read the Gospels, the more difficult that question becomes. I could take the easy way out and buy into a particular doctrine hook, line, and sinker but it would be intellectually and spiritually lazy of me. (That isn't to say it would be for others-- just for me, because I think God wants me to wrestle with this question.)
At any rate, I find that when you offer Christ through your being the hands of Christ- that is, through your life and compassion- people are curious, not repulsed. I also think people generally tune out when anyone is aggressive (well, or they get defensive). Neither tuning out nor defensiveness is a good space to be in for spiritual growth. So, aggressively promoting anything is a bad way to sell it...
--If Jesus is referred to in the Hebrew Bible as the future Messiah, why was the name Jesus never explicitly and repeatedly used in the Hebrew Bible?
I'm not sure he was. I am a Gentile, so it's a bit of a non-issue to me, to be honest. I follow Christ because I think He was filled with the Spirit of God (however the details were), completely a vessel, and therefore entirely human and divine. To me, He was as divine as a human gets- let me put it that way. I have a personal relationship with Christ; He has guided me and been with me since I was a very small child (possibly from birth, but I can't remember that far back). So, I follow. But I'm not Jewish, so I don't have a burning desire to figure out how He fits (or not) into Judaism.
I follow a new path built on the foundations of my ancestors' earth-based religion, and I follow Christ. I find the two compatible. My ancestors' religion didn't really have a Messiah in the Jewish sense, but it did have a Child of Light. I see Jesus as that Child. Maybe there was more than one, maybe not. Defining God isn't really my thing. I just follow. I see that following Christ has made me grow spiritually over my life and is, each day, bringing me closer to being a pure vessel for the love and light of God in this world. That is sufficient to me.
--Does your belief in the complete truth of your faith prevent you from working with people of other faiths on the great moral issues of our time?
No. Because what is my path isn't necessarily the best/right one for others. What I believe is complete truth is that there is One Divine- One God. All who seek God, find God. I don't think I have the monopoly on what to call that One God, how to think about the One God, or the proper way to engage with the One God.
If someone shows the fruit of the Spirit- if they show a life that emulates Christ... then I believe they are growing in Christ. It doesn't matter if they call it Jesus or where and how they worship. Love reveals itself.
--Has your belief that holy people of other faiths are doomed to hell survived your experience of actually meeting a holy person of another faith, or reading about their life and good deeds?
I don't believe in hell (in this sense), so I suppose that is easy enough.
--Do you believe that a person can really live a morally corrupt life while at the same time being saved by faith alone?
No. I guess I should explain. A life is either being lived morally or not. Salvation is evidenced by increasing morality. So, if a person is not growing morally, then it is evidence that they have not yet awakened to salvation. I see it as impossible to be awake in salvation and also be consistently corrupt. Of course, we all make mistakes and fail sometimes, but a saved person will show improvement and a sincere intent to improve.
--How do you think your pronouncements about you having the only way to salvation are heard by those who don't embrace your religion?
I don't do this, but I can tell you how it feels when other people do it to me. I feel they are arrogant. And narrow-minded. And I don't appreciate it. I do appreciate it if I sense from them genuine concern, but oftentimes I do not. So on top of the other feelings, I feel they are insincere.
For those who believe there are many paths up the same mountain to salvation, I offer these questions to provoke you on your spiritual journey:
--Do you really believe every faith is equally true?
No. I believe any faith that provides a practitioner the vehicle to become increasingly compassionate, loving, and good to be useful. There is a difference.
Many faiths are useful, but I doubt any of them have the complete truth, in the sense that they've worked out all the details about God and creation. I think the pursuit of truth is certainly noble and a worthy one, and it is one of the key parts of both Christianity and Druidry. However, I think what is most important is the pursuit of love. We don't have to have all the answers to sincerely love others, to show the light of love of God to the world. It is the love that is the evidence of a valid path, because this is what shows that the path has brought the practitioner into God and therefore manifested God's love in the world.
--How do you evaluate the truth claims of different faiths?
It isn't my primary focus to evaluate the truth of other faiths, I more often evaluate their usefulness in growing love in people (and therefore, morality, etc.). However, when I do set out to evaluate truth, I do so with reason (mind) and with Spirit. I believe God gave us both for a purpose.
--How can religions with contradictory beliefs both be true?
If religions both lead to love, to bettering lives, then it is simply that they are speaking a different language but bringing people to the same place within God. I think there is really only one valid path, but you can be holding the hand of an awful lot of different teachers on that path. The problem is that we often fail to look around us and see who is with us, climbing steadfastly toward that same light at the end of the tunnel.
The truth in all sacred stories (myths) is found in the ways they play out in the lives of the faithful.
Now, if a religion does not lead to love and bettering lives, then I would not find it truthful.
Much of the truth of religions is not inherent in themselves, but rather in the intent of the followers. We can see this clearly in Christianity, for example. Jesus taught non-violence. He taught loving-kindness. He taught poverty and humility and social service. The religion itself is valid- it teaches love and betterment of life. But it can still be used in a way to justify the exact opposite of these teachings. However, in those cases, we can recognize individuals or groups that are counter to the teachings that a religion gives. We can conclude that it is the people involved and not the religion that is the problem. Or more aptly, it is not the teachings that are the problem. The religion, as a social organization, may be the problem if it reinforces beliefs and practices counter to its claimed teachings.
I find that all valid religions have at least some people who claim them as their own, but abuse them. The key is to look and see if there are many others who exhibit love and goodness. If so, then the religion is still truthful.
--If there is no absolute truth for salvation, how can there be an absolute truth for morality?
I believe there is absolute truth for salvation- we all get there by the grace of God, through the Christ. I just don't think someone has to say it that way to be saved.
That which is moral relieves suffering and shows love. Yes, the problem is in how we define this. Yet, I think the fact that we have to go through mental backflips to justify what is obviously counter to this purpose is evidence that actions that purport to do this (but actually don't)... don't. We have the inner light of God in us, and even when we ignore it, it's still there and it is pretty obvious what love is.
--How are religious preferences different from our preferences for music, food and art?
Mmmm... to be honest, I'm not sure that our preferences are all that different. But I think what is different about religion is that people often report the feeling of being called or drawn to a faith that isn't entirely comfortable, easy, comforting, or fun. I don't know of anyone who feels called to listen to bluegrass but really likes heavy metal. Or who feels called to buy a Monet print, but really likes Picasso. However, I do know that sometimes we crave certain foods because our body needs the nutrients in them.
I think sometimes our spirit, which is of God, craves the nutrients it needs from certain paths. So even though our minds might not be entirely comfortable or amused by the spirit's choice, we still feel drawn to the religious practice and belief.
--Can you have a really strong faith if you believe that all faiths are only partially true?
Yes. But not a strong faith in a single religion. I have a strong faith in God, in my journey with Christ, in my experience of the Spirit.
I think my faith is entirely true, in the sense that it is my journey with God, and in God, and toward becoming a better vessel for God to work through in the world.
I just don't think my ideas about all of it are entirely true. They are a work in progress, because they are my mind's attempt at making sense of what my spirit experiences. I figure, if that is what happens to an individual, imagine the difficulty in a whole community of individuals trying to figure out the truth. I think the faithful community (those who really follow and grow in love) in any valid religion have a completely true faith. It doesn't matter that they aren't the same in belief and practice as another community. What matters is that they are the same in love.
--Can you respect someone who believes My Way or the Highway, or do you always shut them out because you consider them religious bigots?
I respect them, but I still think the display of intolerance is counter to loving-kindness and, ironically, to their own goals. I am polite, I listen for a moment. But I am also firm about my boundaries and I insist on a non-abusive discussion- that is, they must not yell, they must not attack, they must not continue on after I have indicated I wish to leave the conversation. This is not shutting them out, but rather being fair to my own needs and teaching them that abusive and aggressive behavior is not OK.
I find that what often works for me with the MWOTH folks is to ask them to read some of their scripture to me and with me, and to share a moment of silent prayer together that we both grow in the grace of God. I haven't yet found scripture I disagree with, or have an issue with. And it's tough for another person to argue about praying for grace. It's a way to experience unity with someone who is in that space without agreeing to their approach.