Hatred In Religion - with Video Footage

Tao_Equus said:
Perhaps not religions "fault". That is a very difficult question to quantify. Certainly looking at the history of at least the Abrahamics it cannot be denied that they lend themselves very easilly to being used to hate. Too easilly. The fatal flaw with religion is that it invokes divine sanction. It places itself above the laws of man and not accountable to them. We, the secular majority that do not want to use religion as an instrument of division and hatred, have to rigerously defend the liberty of man in our laws. Religions and preachers that foster ideals that are not conducive to the liberty of all people should be banned from preaching. Preachers who make knowingly fraudulent claims should be prosecuted as fraudsters. The truth is we are way way to soft on the hatemongers. This has to change.

tao
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Agreed. That would be more than half of them banned. We might atcually get to see it in our lifetime with these hate crime laws.
 
Yes there is hate in both religion and politics. Yes people in religion teach people to hate. Yes there is hate in religious and political debate. Yes there is hate in religion, bickering, bitterness, insults, fabrications, lies, imagination, superstition... religion also produces massive amounts of fear and war...That is a no brainer.

Two people start talking about religion and two minutes later they are at war. Tolerating everything does not solve all problems but serves like a lid on a pressure cooker. when it gets too hot from those who antagonise using race or religion you do not tolerate it any longer and knock them upside the head....BUT! now all you need is video of their hate (or any crime) and false accusations and you get to call the law on them which is why I have surveillance 24/7 at my business and at my home.
Then of course you have this holier than thou crap and our religion makes us better than everyone else and they sneak around doing all the sin they preach against. That is how they truly think and how they are taught to be. They can shove that too.

I heard on the news not long ago there is also a hate crime law to protect those who choose freedom from religion and I thought that was awesome. I cannot recall what state that was.

It is kind of interesting but also repelling that people in religion are so out of control that it has to be stopped with laws.

The mooshy gooshy love thing will conquer hate thingy is entirely overrated and has never happened to make hate disappear off the radar and if it is true that history repeats itself it is not going to happen. What love and honesty does is grant those who hate and abuse, the ability to take advantage of those who are honest. That is also why I am all for the hate crime laws. The preachers cry it will it take away from freedom of speech which is another religious lie, so they can keep preaching hate.

but yes I do agree with the OP and found from experience that people with their religion under their arm have caused way more harm and hatred than it has ever done good. That is another reason why the numbers of people going to church like they used to is declining while the numbers who reject all religion is on the rise. They are fakey hypocrites and constantly being busted for the same stuff they condemn others for. I for one am all for the hate crime laws because it stops these lunatic religious preachers and their converts from pimping and they will think twice before they thug people with their religious born hatred....or be arrested.
Bottom line, we could live without religion. I do it every day.

I would also submit that while religion is not needed for hatred, religion is also not needed for love to flourish.
 
LenoBee said:
How can so much hate come from these religions?
Is dialog really helping or making matters worse?
Do these people hate by living off of their own fears and bouncing the hatred from person to person and then back onto themselves?

Sherri
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Hi Lenobee, with all due respect, you would do better if you took this to real time and printed out a cover letter then inside with your objective, all the facts, laws, your expertise and sent it to all the churches and religious mumbo jumbo in your area explaining what is happening with these new laws and then let them contact you. I feel you would get a better discussion and awareness in real time than you will ever get here. I know religious people are getting arrested for this crap quite often so they might wise up after being punished or by being made aware. That phelps hate religion was slapped with an 11 million dollar fine of which some is to be awarded to the family of the marine but they have not learned a thing because the hatred is too strong. There is no amount of love that is going to cure them either. what they really need is jail time to protect people from their cruelty. HA! Then they cry persecution for their hate god - God Hates You is what phelps preaches.

Is dialogue helping? There is no fact either way on that. It appears to me the world is getting angrier and more hateful so I have my doubts.

Another new one on the market that is having bad hate issues is Scientology.


I watched the videos. Those are actually pretty mellow for what really happens. People are murdered, tortured, houses burned all for their religion because the religion itself teaches fear. That is all quite typical of people in religion. They pretend like they have all this love onstage with social charity while behind the scenes and as soon as soemthing does not go their way in their superstitions, they pick a fight with people to kill them or to intimidate them. People in the same church and religion hate each other and do mean things. So what is the point of having the religion? There is a whole bunch of religious hate going on between hindus and christians in INdia right now...IT NEVER ENDS.
Another one I would like to see fined and jailed are these fakey travling circus preachers like Benny Hinn not because they do hate crimes but because they are frauds. I guess you cannot outlaw entertainment though.

I wrote you back in the PM with an email address ..you can email me from here because I do not get into religion any more. I saw that other thread totally derail with false accusations too. That is just how all religious talk operates. It is without a doubt, literal holy crap. I have one excellent attorney who I have used quite a few times on legal matters and he has helped me win every case. I would not mind making friends with another attorney (as long as we do not talk about religion too much).
 
bananabrain said:
gosh, how breathtakingly patronising. i am so glad you are here to teach us the errors of your ways and enlighten us with your sagacity and perceptiveness. so far, your case seems to be:

"i live near some jews and they're a bunch of arses and treat me disrespectfully, so judaism must be to blame. ditto christians and muslims, so abrahamic religions must teach hate."

i think you'll find that if someone wants to act like an arse, their religious beliefs may sometimes not be able to stop them doing so. that's humans for you. sometimes jews can be arses, for this very reason. it happens. on the other hand, i think you rather relinquish the moral high ground by saying you wouldn't even help them if a human life was at stake.

nice.

i'm not surprised they've not been back since.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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Oh brother. Anyone who owns property has rights and they do not have to tolerate people coming onto it if they do not want them there. That does not make anyone accountable by morals for a neighbors life and death. Due to the location of my land, I have called the law numerous times to have people escorted off my property including one neighbor shooting off her mouth and I will not hesitate to call the law within seconds to have them removed or arrested again. The police department is only 6 blocks away and I do take advantage of my tax dollar.
 
Joedjr said:
Hi,
My .02. Hatred and racism are learned at the kitchen table. I don't think it's confined to any particular religion or group of people. You are right though, in the churches and temples it is not address but seems to be "swept under the rug".
I find this "a breath of fresh air" BBC NEWS | Europe | Pope urges fight against racism Things like this will help squeeze out, little by little the discolor that resides in some of the hearts, in at least one group of folks.
Joe
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I agree it is swept under the rug.
Only problem with the pope is, it is all about politics and people do not listen to them any more because that religion has no room to talk.
 
I am very aware that religous hatred is real. It is not however limited to religous people. Atheists I have meet at times have very strong feeling of hate towards religous people. Believe me as an lds missionary for two years I had three atheists that came up and spit in my face and told me to have my god do something about it. That being said I cannot and will not stereotype atheists as hated filled monsters. I think a lot it comes down to justification. I have heard a quote that says an evil person never knows he is evil. And I think an easy way to justify evil action is by convincing yourself that you are doing gods will. I have studied many of the prominent mass murders such as Stalin, Hitler, and Pol pot. All of them believed they were doing a good thing. Some used religon others used a Philosophy. And some preyed on existing racial and religious prejudice. I think tolerance has to be the key. People need to look for the good in all religions and stop wasting so much time and money bashing others for their beliefs. People need to stop being judgmental and avoid stereotypes at all costs. Also people need to realize that humans are not perfect and will make mistakes and must be willing to forgive one another. I know I sound very idealistic and these things will probably never happen but all I can do is hope. Hope that soon humanity will wake up and realize that all this hate needs to go. Its a sad lesson that we as a people have never been able to learn.
 
dbanks82 said:
I am very aware that religous hatred is real. It is not however limited to religous people. Atheists I have meet at times have very strong feeling of hate towards religous people. Believe me as an lds missionary for two years I had three atheists that came up and spit in my face and told me to have my god do something about it. That being said I cannot and will not stereotype atheists as hated filled monsters. I think a lot it comes down to justification. I have heard a quote that says an evil person never knows he is evil. And I think an easy way to justify evil action is by convincing yourself that you are doing gods will. I have studied many of the prominent mass murders such as Stalin, Hitler, and Pol pot. All of them believed they were doing a good thing. Some used religon others used a Philosophy. And some preyed on existing racial and religious prejudice. I think tolerance has to be the key. People need to look for the good in all religions and stop wasting so much time and money bashing others for their beliefs. People need to stop being judgmental and avoid stereotypes at all costs. Also people need to realize that humans are not perfect and will make mistakes and must be willing to forgive one another. I know I sound very idealistic and these things will probably never happen but all I can do is hope. Hope that soon humanity will wake up and realize that all this hate needs to go. Its a sad lesson that we as a people have never been able to learn.
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Why must it go? Wouldn't you just be taking the fun and satisfactions out of life? If it were wanted, don't you think people would be spending their money on how to change. But if you look at what we call the "arts" it is obvious that we really want is to continue as it is. Are you suggesting these people are wrong to feel this way?
 
Nick_A said:
Why must it go? Wouldn't you just be taking the fun and satisfactions out of life? If it were wanted, don't you think people would be spending their money on how to change. But if you look at what we call the "arts" it is obvious that we really want is to continue as it is. Are you suggesting these people are wrong to feel this way?
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"arts" = modern relativism, again, D.R. Hawkins says that this is contra productive to evolution (I heard in his most recent book he speaks about it). Why do people think they do "good" when doing "bad"? We all act according to our Level of Consciousness, according to our energy-field we are in (or according to the "reality" we perceive from our view-point! the higher the Level of Consciousness, the more we perceive "context", as a photo taken from a higher level includes more things than a photo taken from a low level). The only thing to evolve, is to constantly leave all to His Will and let go of the thought to be able to control the "out-there". It is only ourselves we can change, if ever.
 
~estrella~ said:
"arts" = modern relativism, again, D.R. Hawkins says that this is contra productive to evolution (I heard in his most recent book he speaks about it). Why do people think they do "good" when doing "bad"? We all act according to our Level of Consciousness, according to our energy-field we are in (or according to the "reality" we perceive from our view-point! the higher the Level of Consciousness, the more we perceive "context", as a photo taken from a higher level includes more things than a photo taken from a low level). The only thing to evolve, is to constantly leave all to His Will and let go of the thought to be able to control the "out-there". It is only ourselves we can change, if ever.
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You may appreciate this book by Prof. Needleman: Why Can't We be Good."

Amazon.com: Why Can't We Be Good?: Jacob Needleman: Books

He gives a talk on it here:

FORA.tv - Why Can't We Be Good?

He provides an insight into perspective you may appreciate.
 
What I find remarkable, is that hatred seems to be very common in Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) but not so in other religions. Can anyone offer examples of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, Asatru or other non-Abrahamic religions being used as an excuse for hate?
 
Out of the Box said:
What I find remarkable, is that hatred seems to be very common in Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) but not so in other religions. Can anyone offer examples of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, Asatru or other non-Abrahamic religions being used as an excuse for hate?
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I'd say you've been misinformed:

The co-existence of violence and non-violence in Hinduism | Ecumenical Review, The | Find Articles at BNET

Hindu Fascist Violence Against Christians Pak Alert Press

Worthy Christian News India Christians Injured As Hindu Violence Rocks State

Now Buddhism becomes a religion of violence

Muslims Victims of Buddhist Violence?! Rasheed Gonzales
 
Dondi said:
I'd say you've been misinformed:

The co-existence of violence and non-violence in Hinduism | Ecumenical Review, The | Find Articles at BNET

Hindu Fascist Violence Against Christians Pak Alert Press

Worthy Christian News India Christians Injured As Hindu Violence Rocks State

Now Buddhism becomes a religion of violence

Muslims Victims of Buddhist Violence?! Rasheed Gonzales
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How do these examples of violence relate to the actual religions? I can imagine that some may proclaim to be Buddhists and still use violence, but Buddhism as a philosophy puts such a big stress on non-violence that it's pretty much impossible to use Buddhism as an excuse (which is what Jews, Christians and Muslems seem to have far less problems with).
 
Out of the Box said:
How do these examples of violence relate to the actual religions? I can imagine that some may proclaim to be Buddhists and still use violence, but Buddhism as a philosophy puts such a big stress on non-violence that it's pretty much impossible to use Buddhism as an excuse (which is what Jews, Christians and Muslems seem to have far less problems with).
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OK, so now you are perfectly able distinguish between nationalist hatred and violence vs. religion, but in the case of Judaism they are somehow inseparable?

Have you read the Prophets of the OT?
 
DT Suzuki validated violence and backed it with Buddhist philosophy. Other Buddhist teachers did too.

Dark Zen - Zen Holy War?

But I think Luna hit the nail on the head in post 54.
 
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