For those pantheists

lol...when you try to chip a rock into an arrow head...and it doesn't work...and you use another rock...and then you find a rock that works...that trial and error...that experimentation...is science...not religion.
 
I do believe you are correct... ebb and flow... we can't see what will be the nature of belief in a hundred years, what we will believe or who will believe...

Eggs are good, eggs are bad, butter is good, butter is bad....etc.


But if trends continue...the higher the education in science, technology, engineering, math...the less belief there will be in G!d....that is until science, technology, engineering or math and prove G!d.
 
Materialism....

Surely you've seen the video of Evanglisitic Preachers saying G!d told them, G!d wants them to have a new private jet...and the people should pay....the size of their homes, the size of their churches...


Catholic Church $200 billion + Vatican [2]
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints $40 billion United States [3][4]
Church of England $7.8 billion United Kingdom [5]
Opus Dei (part of the Catholic Church) $2.8 billion Italy [6]
Church of Scientology $1.0 billion United States

90% of materialist capitalists are envious....

Art, Scientific exploration, search for meaning all proceed monotheism....

93% of scientists and 67% of philosophers are not believers... Couldn't find a study on artists....either way

Over the past 100 years this has probably changed fairly dramatically in all three fields (meaning, science and art)...yet the number of philosphers, artists and scientists has continually climbed.

I am an agnostic (don't know) pantheist (like to believe G!d is in everything) unitic (not your conventional Christian)...


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-17th-2017/a-worldwide-force-for-good/

  1. The Church operates more than 140,000 schools, 10,000 orphanages, 5,000 hospitals and some 16,000 other health clinics. Caritas, the umbrella organisation for Catholic aid agencies, estimates that spending by its affiliates totals between £2 billion and £4 billion, making it one of the biggest aid agencies in the world.

    Even these numbers only tell half the tale. Caritas does not include development spending by a host of religious orders and other Catholic charities, while most of the 200,000 Catholic parishes around the world operate their own small-scale charitable projects which are never picked up in official figures. Establishing like-for-like comparisons is hard, but there can be little doubt that in pretty much every field of social action, from education to health to social care, the Church is the largest and most significant non-state organisation in the world....
    https://m.csmonitor.com/World/Afric...e-against-AIDS-a-key-player-hits-a-crossroads

    ... Catholic Church administers 25 percent of all AIDS treatment worldwide, especially in hard-to-reach rural areas. But it's facing new obstacles as funding declines and African governments are under pressure to provide services themselves...


    Evil Catholics


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https://www.economist.com/briefing/2012/08/18/earthly-concerns

quarter of the 100 top-ranked hospitals are Catholic. All these institutions are subject to the oversight of a bishop or a religious order. The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around$170 billionin 2010 (the church does not release such figures).18 Aug 2012
 
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ie: The Catholic Church speeds the collection plate money on CHARITY AND AID. Not PRIVATE JETS AND GOLDEN THRONES

$170 BILLION A YEAR?

(But please don't quote me on the exact figure)
 
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Sorry ... older I'm getting, grumpier I seem to be getting, lol
 
Sorry ... older I'm getting, grumpier I seem to be getting, lol

Knee jerk reactions are what they are.... I didn't isolate out the Catholics...they were just at the top of the list I found because they have so much wealth. Much of that is probably in prime real estate.
Though you were talking about human consciousness.
Made in the image of G!d... I imagine that image is more our capacity to imagine/create/consciousness than it is body...

As the nontheistic agnostic pantheist unitic... I see G!d as acting thru us, not for us. I see us, and everything as that image, reflection, representation...the eachness of the allness...expressing traits of the one.
 
Knee jerk reactions are what they are.... I didn't isolate out the Catholics...they were just at the top of the list I found because they have so much wealth. Much of that is probably in prime real estate...

It's all just part of the (knee-jerk) mis-perception and mis-representation about the evil CC, the evilest organisation ever ...
 
Not you. I don't think you're saying that. But a Catholic gets weary of being clobbered with this stuff, lol.
 
Not you. I don't think you're saying that. But a Catholic gets weary of being clobbered with this stuff, lol.
What we resist persists....Clowns don't like Homey, or Pennywise...whine everytime someone calls our politicians clowns... Lawyers are tired of being called Shysters, and Liars... Mormons, JWs, everyone has their cross to bear.... most do not bear it well.

When we act defensive...we keep the rumors and myths alive....
 
Well, it may help clear up a bit of misunderstanding about what the evil and obscenely wealthy Catholic Church actually does with its bucks ...
 
I don't encounter any golden Vatican Princes of the Church. I encounter a small dying-out community of mostly elderly monks and ordinary Catholic people who go to church and work at day jobs. Who do not talk about their faith but just quietly get on with it.

Unless someone starts waving a finger under their nose telling them how evil the Church is, lol
 
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lol...when you try to chip a rock into an arrow head...and it doesn't work...and you use another rock...and then you find a rock that works...that trial and error...that experimentation...is science...not religion.
I think you are conflating religion and theology.
 
... that is until science, technology, engineering or math and prove G!d.
There used to a saying when 'the Irish Problem' reared its head in politics: "If you think you have the answer, you haven't understood the question."

Why do you make claims like this, when science doesn't?

Don't you see it puts you on a par with flat-earthers, creationists, etc.?
 
I so wish someone could provide reasonable objective evidence of disembodied consciousness (my edit, 'intelligence' is something else.
I don't think we can? I see our consciousness as embodied 'at source' as it were, although how Quantum-type activity — entanglement, Eistein's derided 'spooky action at a distance', might impact on that is another question. Consciousness however does not site within the parameters of the physical sciences, it's certainly not Newtonian, and while Quantum Physics opens up huge areas of debate, that does not mean that consciousness can be defined or explained in Quantum terms.

Human consciousness is contingent upon the body, upon nature and nurture. It is a non-spatial, non-temporal field generated by and therefore, I would suggest, anchored to, corporeal activity.

I have had so much direct experience of 'angelic' consciousness. Prophetic dreams. Spiritual guidance.
I don't doubt it. What I wonder is that when we say 'angelic consciousness' we immediately and inescapably think of consciousness in human terms. Why do angels look like us? We do we have angelic auditions, visions. etc? Because that's the way our consciousness interprets the data, the conscious effect of perceiving (however dimly) an immanent presence. I have said here before, and it's not my idea, that the evidence that suggests a link between prophetic/mystical states and neurological disorders — Scriptural descriptions of Ezekiel suggests something akin to epilepsy, and more than one mystic suffered the same ... but might not an epileptic fit be triggered by an 'overload' as the physical senses try to interpret incoming signals?

God is found in quietness and humility and silence.
In calming the external noise.

Traditionally, in Christianity, the commentaries distinguish between 'consciousness' and 'the intellect'. Angels, for example, are seen as creatures of pure intellect. Each angel is a divine idea (or a corruption thereof). Not all angels are conscious — that belongs to the higher 'choirs'. You van have an idea, but you can't discourse with one, that's a whole other ballgame.
 
Angel guardian. Knowledge of a higher spiritual presence. An 'agent' of God.
 
Human consciousness is contingent upon the body, upon nature and nurture. It is a non-spatial, non-temporal field generated by and therefore, I would suggest, anchored to, corporeal activity
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