What is the Baha'i message in simple words?
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Tony Bristow-Stagg
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The Holy Spirit does not Sin, and through the Holy Spirit God can forgive all sin. That is the station of Christ and Baha'u'llah.
Also, we one and all can forgive.
Matthew 18:21-22
"Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven."
We are not born with sin.
Regards Tony
That avoids the question. No other prophet claims to have been sinless, or to forgive sin. Yes, we can all forgive, our brother. Yes of course God can forgive sin, by His own power and without intermediary consent of any other, but Christ alone has the power given him by the Father to forgive sin. Can you forgive sin? Can you?
Did Moses or Muhammad (pbuh) forgive sin? Did Noah or Zoroaster? Did Baha’u’llah forgive sin, in the station of Christ?
I’m afraid you fudge these answers.
(Christians believe that) Christ is Lord over all spirits and all angels. Christ is not anointed by the Holy Spirt. Christ is before and above the Holy Spirit.
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Sorry, before you respond the Christ just means 'the anointed one' as the predicted Jewish Messiah -- the meaning of the Christ, to Christians, goes far beyond that -- which means Islam and Baha'i correcting Christian belief, you see? This is not accepted ...
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
I would enjoy reading your thoughts on this!
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
The forgiveness of Sins is all the way through Baha'i Writings, there is a prayer that offers who we are asking forgiveness through, it covers all the Prophets and Messengers.
This is the start of that prayer,
"Glorified art Thou, O Lord my God! I beseech Thee by Thy Chosen Ones, and by the Bearers of Thy Trust, and by Him Whom Thou hast ordained to be the Seal of Thy Prophets and of Thy Messengers, to let Thy remembrance be my companion, and Thy love my aim, and Thy face my goal, and Thy name my lamp, and Thy wish my desire, and Thy pleasure my delight....."
"Glorified art Thou, O Lord my God! I beseech Thee by Thy Chosen Ones, and by the Bearers of Thy Trust, and by Him Whom Thou hast ordained to be the Seal of Thy Prophets and of Thy Messengers, to let Thy remembrance be my companion, and Thy love my aim, and Thy face my goal, and Thy name my lamp, and Thy wish my desire, and Thy pleasure my delight.
I am a sinner, O my Lord, and Thou art the Ever-Forgiving. As soon as I recognized Thee, I hastened to attain the exalted court of Thy loving-kindness. Forgive me, O my Lord, my sins which have hindered me from walking in the ways of Thy good pleasure, and from attaining the shores of the ocean of Thy oneness.
There is no one, O my Lord, who can deal bountifully with me to whom I can turn my face, and none who can have compassion on me that I may crave his mercy. Cast me not out, I implore Thee, of the presence of Thy grace, neither do Thou withhold from me the outpourings of Thy generosity and bounty. Ordain for me, O my Lord, what Thou hast ordained for them that love Thee, and write down for me what Thou hast written down for Thy chosen ones. My gaze hath, at all times, been fixed on the horizon of Thy gracious providence, and mine eyes bent upon the court of Thy tender mercies. Do with me as beseemeth Thee. No God is there but Thee, the God of power, the God of glory, Whose help is implored by all men.
Bahá’u’lláh
I am a sinner, O my Lord, and Thou art the Ever-Forgiving. As soon as I recognized Thee, I hastened to attain the exalted court of Thy loving-kindness. Forgive me, O my Lord, my sins which have hindered me from walking in the ways of Thy good pleasure, and from attaining the shores of the ocean of Thy oneness.
There is no one, O my Lord, who can deal bountifully with me to whom I can turn my face, and none who can have compassion on me that I may crave his mercy. Cast me not out, I implore Thee, of the presence of Thy grace, neither do Thou withhold from me the outpourings of Thy generosity and bounty. Ordain for me, O my Lord, what Thou hast ordained for them that love Thee, and write down for me what Thou hast written down for Thy chosen ones. My gaze hath, at all times, been fixed on the horizon of Thy gracious providence, and mine eyes bent upon the court of Thy tender mercies. Do with me as beseemeth Thee. No God is there but Thee, the God of power, the God of glory, Whose help is implored by all men.
Bahá’u’lláh
Regards Tony
Did Baha'u'llah heal the sick who came to him, as did Jesus the Christ?
Why do you need the red part?
Jews do not pray to God through Moses, or Muslims through Muhammad (pbuh)
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Did Baha'u'llah write that prayer for others to say? Was he referring to himself when he wrote: Him Whom Thou hast ordained to be the Seal of Thy Prophets and of Thy Messengers?
The Christ is without sin
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These are not supposed to be easy questions @Tone Bristow-Stagg
They are difficult questions.Why should you just expect me to drop everything and bow to swear an oath of fealty to Baha'u'llah alone, as the only valid messenger, manifestation of the Almighty for the next 1000 years? (I most surely will not, sir)
I'm afraid that instead of answering, you blame me for asking ...
So, let's just let it go now?
They are difficult questions.Why should you just expect me to drop everything and bow to swear an oath of fealty to Baha'u'llah alone, as the only valid messenger, manifestation of the Almighty for the next 1000 years? (I most surely will not, sir)
I'm afraid that instead of answering, you blame me for asking ...
So, let's just let it go now?
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Longfellow
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I should have said, Buddha's teachings about God don't conflict with Baha'u'llah's, because Buddha doesn't teach anything about God at all, including whether or not there actually is such a being. He advises against fruitless and distracting speculations, including speculations about a creator God. Baha'u'llah also advises against fruitless and distracting speculations. I'm not sure if he applies that explicitly to speculations about a creator God, but since he says that there's nothing that anyone can know about God as the source or cause of everything, I'm thinking that it applies to speculations about that.
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You're asking me?
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Yes, I did. I thought you might help - station of 'Father'. It sort of shocked me. Might have shocked you too. But I would ask Tony also.
So, Tony, what do you mean when you say 'station of 'Father'?
In that case how is Bahaollah returning Jesus?
Was Bahaollah too Father as well as son?
We are told the Holy Ghost breathed Jesus in Mary's womb. Did the Holy Ghost breathe in Bahaollah's mother's womb too?
Your esteemed reply will be much appreciated.
So, Tony, what do you mean when you say 'station of 'Father'?
In that case how is Bahaollah returning Jesus?
Was Bahaollah too Father as well as son?
We are told the Holy Ghost breathed Jesus in Mary's womb. Did the Holy Ghost breathe in Bahaollah's mother's womb too?
Your esteemed reply will be much appreciated.
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@Aupmanyav
As the return of The Christ -- the second coming -- Baha'u'llah would no longer occupy the station of the Son, as Jesus did -- but be progressed now to the station of the Father?
As the return of The Christ -- the second coming -- Baha'u'llah would no longer occupy the station of the Son, as Jesus did -- but be progressed now to the station of the Father?
Anyway: I'm walking over to the Abbey church now to attend the holy and peaceful ceremony of vespers and benediction with the humble old monks ageless gregorian chanting. I'm afraid I'm not longer interested in Baha'u'llah.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
I know, I know. I hope you are forgiving me for my foolish questions. But I don't think that is the only Bahai teaching. Bahaiism demands more. Acceptance of Bahaollah as the undisputed 'manifestation' of Allah for the next 850 years, for example, and realization that Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam now stand as corrupted religions.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Bahai already have him. What they want is that for the sake of peace and brotherhood in the world, you should also have Bahaollah (the returning Jesus or perhaps his father), without which peace and brotherhood in the world is not possible. Tony's reply will make that point clear.
Tony, write to Biden, Putin and Zelenskyy, just as Bahaollah wrote to the rulers of Europe. Perhaps that might help.
I withdrew that last sentence. I hope this is going to be my last post on the subject. I know God meets every honest soul just where they are, whatever the time and place or faith, or no faith. The good Baha'i people have every blessing from my heart. God knows, and we don't, imo
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