A non-Christian understanding of the Christian Bible

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It's really difficult because in the current climate reasoned discussion opens the door to flame wars.

I would offer that Jesus habitually sided with the underdog; the poor, the oppressed, the downcast, the downtrodden, the dispossessed. He was generally against wealth and definitely against the avaricious acquisition thereof, and he had absolutely no time for the boastful and the hypocrite. Compare that outlook to that of some contemporary political figures, and I'll leave the rest to you ...
Thank you for your answer.

Yes, I've been discussing arguing politics until a couple of weeks ago, and I've stopped discussions about party politics outside of my own country (UK) since then. I consider that forums continuing some kinds of conversation will be putting themselves in danger.

OK......so in good faith I will continue to discuss old testament history and the story of Jesus openly and without any connections to this day and age.
 
Yahweh kid, thank you for your post. I was very interested to read your post and it is pleasant indeed to hear that you have peace through your beliefs.

I have no intention of ever directly challenging any person's beliefs if they are the cause of friendship and peace to all, I meet with Christians (and others) twice a week and we have great conversations and enjoyment together.

I think the way is to take interest in every bodies' and any bodies' good lives and beliefs and of course that has to include every and any doctrines and religions.

You'll notice that I debate 'strongly' with members like Thomas but I only do that because I think that it gives us both an interest, I certainly don't think that we are pitted against each other fiercely. Over many years it has challenged me and can adjust or even change my points of view.
You all have a lot of knowledge, way more than I do. My focus is not on this life, but rather the after life...... that is why I look into the religions, faiths, beliefs, etc. I do not believe there are more than one Truth when it comes to spirituality.......deception makes it very difficult to find.

I love these words from Jesus...

Mark 12:30-31
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


If we can live by these commandments, we will have peace in this world...

Be blessed :)
 
This is an update on my ways of thinking about Jesus and the Bible. They all revolve around the idea that the best life we can live is in service and obedience to the God of Jesus, learning together to live the way that He says to live. A person doesn’t need to understand it in those terms to benefit from it, but in online discussions I’m only discussing it in biblical terms. One example of it might be small group workshops using spiritual growth materials designed to develop qualities and capacities for service in helping to make the community life in a neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it.

I think that people growing spiritually together that way is at least part of what “kingdom of God” or “kingdom of heaven” means in the New Testament. I think that’s what Jesus wants for people most of all. Everything that He says and does is for that purpose. The reason that He is called “Son of God.” is because that’s what He is in a Jewish context, the king that God said that He would raise up from the line of David. It’s for Jews to know that serving and obeying Him, Jesus, is serving and obeying God.

In order to enter His kingdom, we need to be freed from slavery to our impulses and desires for immediate self-gratification. The way that Jesus died, and His resurrection, serve that purpose in some ways that I don’t fully understand and maybe never will.

We don’t need to know who or what the Holy Spirit is, or how they are related to God, to enter the kingdom and to have the life that Jesus wants for us. What we need to know is only about the *power* of the Holy Spirit, to know that things can happen that are beyond human powers, and to open ourselves to that power in our lives.

We don’t need to have any belief that Jesus is or is not God, to enter His kingdom and have the life that He wants for us. What we need to know is only that all of the authority, power, knowledge and wisdom of God is in Him, so that doing His will is doing God’s will.

That’s my understanding of the gospel of Jesus in the Bible. When a person sees God in Jesus and is moved by that to want to serve and obey God and learn together with others to live the way He says to live, then they are living the best life they can. One way for people to be attracted to that and maybe drawn into it might be to see it happening to other people, and maybe especially to see them washing each other’s feet, figuratively speaking. I’ve had a glimpse of how that might happen, and that’s what I would want to learn to practice and promote if I continued to post in online discussions.
 
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You all have a lot of knowledge, way more than I do. My focus is not on this life, but rather the after life...... that is why I look into the religions, faiths, beliefs, etc. I do not believe there are more than one Truth when it comes to spirituality.......deception makes it very difficult to find.

I love these words from Jesus...

Mark 12:30-31
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


If we can live by these commandments, we will have peace in this world...

Be blessed :)
Jesus gives us a commandment which He calls a *new* commandment. What do you think is mew about it?
 
This is an update on my ways of thinking about Jesus and the Bible. They all revolve around the idea that the best life we can live is in service and obedience to the God of Jesus, learning together to live the way that He says to live. A person doesn’t need to understand it in those terms to benefit from it, but in online discussions I’m only discussing it in biblical terms. One example of it might be small group workshops using spiritual growth materials designed to develop qualities and capacities for service in helping to make the community life in a neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it.

I think that people growing spiritually together that way is at least part of what “kingdom of God” or “kingdom of heaven” means in the New Testament. I think that’s what Jesus wants for people most of all. Everything that He says and does is for that purpose. The reason that He is called “Son of God.” is because that’s what He is in a Jewish context, the king that God said that He would raise up from the line of David. It’s for Jews to know that serving and obeying Him, Jesus, is serving and obeying God.

In order to enter His kingdom, we need to be freed from slavery to our impulses and desires for immediate self-gratification. The way that Jesus died, and His resurrection, serve that purpose in some ways that I don’t fully understand and maybe never will.

We don’t need to know who or what the Holy Spirit is, or how they are related to God, to enter the kingdom and to have the life that Jesus wants for us. What we need to know is only about the *power* of the Holy Spirit, to know that things can happen that are beyond human powers, and to open ourselves to that power in our lives.

We don’t need to have any belief that Jesus is or is not God, to enter His kingdom and have the life that He wants for us. What we need to know is only that all of the authority, power, knowledge and wisdom of God is in Him, so that doing His will is doing God’s will.

That’s my understanding of the gospel of Jesus in the Bible. When a person sees God in Jesus and is moved by that to want to serve and obey God and learn together with others to live the way He says to live, then they are living the best life they can. One way for people to be attracted to that and maybe drawn into it might be to see it happening to other people, and maybe especially to see them washing each other’s feet, figuratively speaking. I’ve had a glimpse of how that might happen, and that’s what I would want to learn to practice and promote if I continued to post in online discussions.
Here's my problem with this statement:

We have nothing brought to us by the Abrahamic god, and nothing that Yeshua himself ever wrote. What we do have is a labyrinth of interpretations, generations of men speculating, moralizing, and philosophizing about how they believe life should be lived, not through divine revelation but through the lens of culture, politics, and personal bias. Each sect, each translation, each council reshaped the myth to suit its time, its rulers, its social needs. What began as tribal mythology became institutional dogma, sanctified opinion masquerading as eternal truth.

These so-called revelations are less messages from heaven and more mirrors reflecting the ambitions of men, men who sought to define morality, control behavior, and dictate purpose. The scriptures are, therefore, not divine dictations but evolving commentaries, edited and reinterpreted to reinforce authority and conformity. What we inherited is not a universal truth but a mosaic of human attempts to cage the infinite within the limits of their own understanding.
 
One example of it might be small group workshops using spiritual growth materials designed to develop qualities and capacities for service in helping to make the community life in a neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it.

I believe this is at the very heart of Christianity.
That’s my understanding of the gospel of Jesus in the Bible. When a person sees God in Jesus and is moved by that to want to serve and obey God and learn together with others to live the way He says to live, then they are living the best life they can.
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God, start by looking in the mirror.. If everyone matters to God, then everyone should matter to me.

The greater challenge is to see God in every person we meet, to treat them as if they are Jesus. Starting with the poor, the oppressed, refugees, widows and orphans.
 
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