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interesting - how does the text imply that?No, it was because he was dancing bare-butt. He did have an "ephod" (apron) covering his front, but he was showing off his beautiful booty, and Michal didn't think he should be doing that.
when you put it like that, i find it quite convincing. but i'd want to know what someone like, say, ramban had to say about it.When Jonathan first sees David, "his loins yearned for him". When they get together, Jonathan striips for David, and the text is specific that he took off everything. When Saul accuses Jonathan of an improper relationship with David, the accusation is "you have chosen him to the confusion of a mother's nakedness", which is a difficult idiom to interpret but I can hardly see how a sexual reading can be avoided.
hehe. actually, if there is a way to read this as showing a somewhat (at least one-way) homosexual relationship without reference to "to'evah" it might well provide some support for r. steve greenberg's PoV, i expect he looks at this in his book "wrestling with G!D and men", not that i've read it, but i've heard him speak about how to construct a case that what is objected to in leviticus cannot be compared to a loving, monogamous homosexual relationship. and that is with my most traditional hat on. as you probably know, i strongly disapprove of religious discrimination against gay people, so if this could help, i'd be quite pleased.when Jonathan dies, David says "most excellent was your love, surpassing the love of women". I do not see how the text could have been more explicit without veering into soft porn.
"justice, justice, you must pursue", as the Torah tells us.