greymare
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pardon my ignorance, mee, how does the "coil" assist (or whatever) in aborting?
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mee
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Quahom1;172421 Artificial birth control is unacceptable said:
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mee
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conception happens before it gets to the womb , in the fallopian tube i think,so when it gets to the womb the coil would more than likely kill it. it is like mini abortions
The Intrauterine Device
Also called IUD, loop, or coil, this metal or plastic device is placed in the uterus. While there is uncertainty as to how it actually works, doctors believe that it prevents fertility in several ways. One of these ways probably is to prevent the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the womb.
advantages.... a reliable means of birth control.
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Disadvantages....Sometimes results in bleeding or pain, and may SOMETIMES be abortive in its mode of operation.
how would a woman know if she had concieved or not, she could be having lots of mimi abortions , just knowing that could be happening would rule it out for those who follow bible principles
just knowing that could be happening would rule it out for those who follow bible principles
greymare
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I actually googled the iud/coil
it said that it mostly restricts the sperm from the egg, ie: not fertilization.
it said that it mostly restricts the sperm from the egg, ie: not fertilization.
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mee
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the coil is only in the womb not in the fallopian tube and conception happens before it gets to the womb .
the coil is not in the fallopian tube , the sperm and egg would get together before entering the womb ,and any sperm that made it up the fallopian tube would find an egg to get together with .
i also goggled it , and found the following at netdoctor.co.uk
Ectopic pregnancy
The IUD is very good at preventing normally located pregnancies – ie in the womb. So if a pregnancy does occur, there’s an above-average chance that it might be ectopic (outside the womb).
Marsh
Disagreeable By Nature
Interesting, Mee. Previously you asserted that your viewpoint is entirely Biblical, and now it appears that you are reading into the Bible which, where I come from, is called Theology. Theology is inherently the teaching of man rather than God, because it comes out of the human mind rather than out of the word of God. So if the Bible does not say that contraception is wrong, and if contraception did exist during Biblical times (i.e. in the case of Onan), then this becomes an issue of faith.
For anyone, then, who feels that contraception is the equivalent of abortion and who feels that it goes against God's will, that person should not use contraception.
For anyone, then, who does not feel that using a condom is an act of sin, allow that one to go on making love to their husband or wife without trying to make them feel guilty.
Basically what Paul said about eating food sacrificed to idols, yeah? Mee, I'd like to commend the importance you place on the word of God. However, we should all be cautious and humble in our interpretation of that word, acknowledging the fact that our minds are small compared to God's, and our interpretations subject to that smallness.
Good thing you are not a doctor. A fallopian tube pregnancy assures the death of the fetus and the probable rendering of the woman infertile...conception happens before it gets to the womb , in the fallopian tube i think,so when it gets to the womb the coil would more than likely kill it. it is like mini abortions
The Intrauterine Device
Also called IUD, loop, or coil, this metal or plastic device is placed in the uterus. While there is uncertainty as to how it actually works, doctors believe that it prevents fertility in several ways. One of these ways probably is to prevent the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the womb.
advantages.... a reliable means of birth control.
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Disadvantages....Sometimes results in bleeding or pain, and may SOMETIMES be abortive in its mode of operation.
how would a woman know if she had concieved or not, she could be having lots of mimi abortions ,
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mee
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For anyone, then, who does not feel that using a condom is an act of sin, allow that one to go on making love to their husband or wife without trying to make them feel guilty.
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I never mentioned the condom, i was talking about a coil , the coil is something different altogether, using a condom is not destroying a life that already exists, but the coil could be doing that.
its about respect for the life that HAS BEEN conceived.
as far as i can tell the condom would not be wrong at all
for a christian
respect for life comes into the picture when considering the question of using an IUD. The fact is that at present no man can state with absolute certainty whether the IUD does prevent conception from occurring.
There is mounting evidence, instead, that with an IUD in place conception can or does take place and that the product of conception is prevented from developing normally into a child.
The sincere Christian concerned about the propriety of using an IUD should seriously weigh such information in the light of a Bible-based respect for the sanctity of life.
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mee
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Interesting, Mee. Previously you asserted that your viewpoint is entirely Biblical, quote]
and it is
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mee
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yes the ectopic pregnancy is not a good thing at all, it can and does make fertility problems afterwards.
even leaving a woman infertile
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mee
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well done i am glad it worked for you just fine
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The Canadian Medical Association Journal says:
"Among pregnancies occurring with the IUD in place the spontaneous abortion rate is 41%, . . . In contrast, the rate among pregnancies in women without an IUD is 10% to 15%."
"Among pregnancies occurring with the IUD in place the spontaneous abortion rate is 41%, . . . In contrast, the rate among pregnancies in women without an IUD is 10% to 15%."
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