Selling the other companies product?

which one ducky?

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These one(s)
As has been said its not easy to become Jewish. I can call myself a Christian or Muslim, Buddhist or Pagan right now if I wanted to. What is so special about being a Jew that demands so much rigour before acceptance? Some say you are never fully accepted no matter what you do. Good thing? Bad thing? Confuses me a bit and it seems to be one of the touchy areas people tend to avoid.

Why not? :confused:

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:rolleyes: Because nations are not religions.
 
:rolleyes: Because nations are not religions.

Well I'd worked that bit out! But why do you think my comparison was inappropriate? My choice of using a country was fairly random. The point I was trying (and failing to make) was that to say "I am a Pagan" if you are not, is as meaningless as if one were to say "I am an Albanian" if you are not, or a BNP supporter if you are not, or a lover of chocolate if you are not, or if...

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Well I'd worked that bit out! But why do you think my comparison was inappropriate? My choice of using a country was fairly random. The point I was trying (and failing to make) was that to say "I am a Pagan" if you are not, is as meaningless as if one were to say "I am an Albanian" if you are not, or a BNP supporter if you are not, or a lover of chocolate if you are not, or if...

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Ohhh I think you made that clear first time round.. So you are a pagan albanian fascist who hates chocolate? I never would have guessed :D
 
So you are a pagan albanian fascist who hates chocolate? I never would have guessed :D

well it's on my profile :p

perhaps by meaningful I am meaning "having saliency for the individual" and thus affecting their thinking and hence behaviour.

OK I'll shut up now, in case any one says I'm being snippy!:rolleyes:

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Do you mean to tell me there are actually people in the world who do *not* like chocolate? That's...just...not...possible, is it?

There is a remote, small tribe of people living on an isolated Pacific island that has had virtually no contact with the outside world. However, in 1957 a Christian missionary group went there and tried to establish friendly contact as a first step in conversion. They did this by offering "nice" things such as shiny jewellery, brightly patterned clothing and food. The food included chocolate. The tribe accepted the gifts and even gave some in return. Everything seemed to be going fine. Then the chocolate bars were opened...

The exact truth of what happened next has never been properly established I don't think, but only two of the eight missionaries managed to escape the island with their lives. I think one can conclude however that these Pacific islanders did not like chocolate. :(

(PoO in her professional capacity may be able to provide more detail.)

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There is a remote, small tribe of people living on an isolated Pacific island that has had virtually no contact with the outside world. However, in 1957 a Christian missionary group went there and tried to establish friendly contact as a first step in conversion. They did this by offering "nice" things such as shiny jewellery, brightly patterned clothing and food. The food included chocolate. The tribe accepted the gifts and even gave some in return. Everything seemed to be going fine. Then the chocolate bars were opened...

The exact truth of what happened next has never been properly established I don't think, but only two of the eight missionaries managed to escape the island with their lives. I think one can conclude however that these Pacific islanders did not like chocolate. :(

(PoO in her professional capacity may be able to provide more detail.)

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Well, we'll just have to enlighten them with the pleasures of modern culture, and change them for the better!

:D
 
There is a remote, small tribe of people living on an isolated Pacific island that has had virtually no contact with the outside world. However, in 1957 a Christian missionary group went there and tried to establish friendly contact as a first step in conversion. They did this by offering "nice" things such as shiny jewellery, brightly patterned clothing and food. The food included chocolate. The tribe accepted the gifts and even gave some in return. Everything seemed to be going fine. Then the chocolate bars were opened...

The exact truth of what happened next has never been properly established I don't think, but only two of the eight missionaries managed to escape the island with their lives. I think one can conclude however that these Pacific islanders did not like chocolate. :(

(PoO in her professional capacity may be able to provide more detail.)

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LOL- they should have stuck with just shiny jewelry. Who doesn't like that?

Waits for next nifty story... :p

BTW, Alex, I think a lot of Americans don't get too worried about circumcision, since many infants are circumcised anyway. Takes some of the worry out of conversion, at any rate, should people ever want to.

I find Judaism fascinating but very difficult. It is one of the more challenging religions that I have tried to study (though never convert), in part because it is wrapped up in an ethnicity and a particular heritage, as well as a language. So it is like trying to approach an entirely different culture in some ways. I do not find that having a Christian background helps me understand Judaism, though I do find that some of studies of Judaism has helped me better understand the Christian texts- which makes sense, given one proceeded the other.

Some people must convert for reasons other than marriage, but I do not know anyone who does this except "Messianic" Jews, who, sorry to be blunt, don't seem Jewish to me at all.
 
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