12 BibleVerses That Seem To Indicate Jesus Is God

[soleil10]

12 Bible Verses That Seem To Indicate Jesus Is God.

John 1:2-3
He was with God in the beginning and through him all things were made.
Jesus was with God in the beginning and all things were made through Jesus!

2. 1 Corinthians 8:6
Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Again, all things were made through Jesus.

3. Colossians 1:15-19

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Here Jesus is described as the creator. “For by him all things were created by him and for him!”

4. Hebrews 1:2

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

5. Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
About the Son he says: Your throne, O GOD!

6. John 20:28
“And Thomas said (to Jesus) ‘My Lord and My God.’”

7. 1 John 5:20
“. . .and we are in him who is true—even in his son Jesus Christ. He is true God and eternal life.”

8. Romans 9:5
“Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!”

9. 2 Peter 1:1
“. . .to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

10. Titus 2:13
“. . .the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

11. Philippians 2:5-6
“Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature, God. . .”

12. John 8:58
“Before Abraham was, I am.”
Jesus proclaims that he existed before Abraham.

 

[path_of_one]

What is interesting to me is that so far, the verses that you use to indicate Jesus is God are all from the epistles and John. The synoptic Gospels are all quoted in the Jesus is not God thread. Just an interesting observation, particularly since the synoptic Gospels generally are also quoting the more "red letter" fragments (Jesus' own words, but of course how they are taken depends on how we interpret them).

By the way- the verse "Before Abraham was, I am," while indicating prior and continuing existence, does not necessarily indicate Jesus was saying he was God.

 

[citizenzen]

I'm currently reading Jesus, Interrupted by Bart D. Ehrman. In this book he details contradictions in the Bible, such as the one we're discussing between here and the thread 14 bible verses that indicate Jesus is not God.

His point is that each author in the Bible had an agenda that they were trying to put forth and often these were at odds with other authors. And while Biblical scholars have long recognized and acknowledged this, the general public has overlooked these contradictions and accepted a mashed together hybrid narrative that is now the commonly accepted story of the Bible.

It is not reasonable to cling to the belief that the Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant and instead acknowledge that it is the product of many different perspectives and objectives.

 

[Dream]

Not everybody who thinks its divinely inspired thinks it is also innerant, but on the subject of Bart E. you've got to realize he is a 'pop' theologian. I'm not saying Erman's no good, just that UNC is only 20 minute drive from Duke University and maybe there is a little competition involved. Sensation is actually a trend among university publications now, and it ticks off a lot of really good professors who feel they must stick to the facts. What you see with sensationalization of news coverage also affects books authors and theological scholars. Like, Erman might hold your interest for a little while but he may not give you a balanced approach to the topic. Since there is such a deluge of info out there, authors sensationalize a little and abbreviate a tiny bit.

 

[citizenzen]

Not everybody who thinks its divinely inspired thinks it is also innerant, but on the subject of Bart E. you've got to realize he is a 'pop' theologian. I'm not saying Erman's no good, just that UNC is only 20 minute drive from Duke University and maybe there is a little competition involved.

Perhaps you could explain what a "pop" theologian is and how you think a rivalry between UNC and Duke might color his thoughts and writings.

And beyond those two assertions, how do you choose to explain Biblical contradictions such as to one we're discussing? BTW, I never implied that "everyone" thinks one way. I'm well aware that we all hold a wide range of beliefs... including Christians.

 

[Dream]

What you see with sensationalization of news coverage also affects books authors and theological scholars.

Its not an insult. A pop theologian appeals to the masses, which necessarily makes their pop books abbreviated and sensational. You can't easily write to both the masses and other scholars in the same book. (Erman does write to other scholars in journals and other scholarly works) Just like with news, the pop books are just an introduction to the material, not an education. As for explaining the seeming contradictions, I choose not to explain them. I enjoy looking at books like Erman's, too.

The rivalry between the Blue Devils and the Tarheels is a thing of legend. They are: Rival medical schools, Rival theology schools, Rival law schools, Rival Sports, rivals for land grants and definitely rivals for federal and state funding. I think UNC is the biggest and better funded but am not certain. Duke is internationally known.

 

[citizenzen]

Its not an insult. A pop theologian appeals to the masses, which necessarily makes their pop books abbreviated and sensational. You can't easily write to both the masses and other scholars in the same book. (Erman does write to other scholars in journals and other scholarly works) Just like with news, the pop books are just an introduction to the material, not an education.

It sounds like an insult when you use phrases like "pop", "abbreviated" and "sensational".

What book isn't abbreviated? What one book provides an entire education on a subject? Why do you assume that we need to be warned that a single book, like a news item, does not tell the entire story? Why does the sensational, abbreviated, pop phrase, "No duh!" seem so appropriate here?

As for explaining the seeming contradictions, I choose not to explain them.

And now that we've been properly warned about books, you inform us that you simply choose to ignore the issue. These aren't "seeming contradictions", they are written for all to see. Would you like for me to quote a few? Or would you prefer not to be bothered?

The rivalry between the Blue Devils and the Tarheels is a thing of legend. They are: Rival medical schools, Rival theology schools, Rival law schools, Rival Sports, rivals for land grants and definitely rivals for federal and state funding. I think UNC is the biggest and better funded but am not certain. Duke is internationally known.

Finally, regarding this rivalry, you still haven't put forth any explanation as to what this has to do with the subject being discussed. Please enlighten me as how this is germane to the topic, otherwise I'll have to dismiss it as a red herring.

 

[Dream]

It sounds like an insult when you use phrases like "pop", "abbreviated" and "sensational".

What book isn't abbreviated? What one book provides an entire education on a subject? Why do you assume that we need to be warned that a single book, like a news item, does not tell the entire story? Why does the sensational, abbreviated, pop phrase, "No duh!" seem so appropriate here?

I am not saying you wasted your money, just that this may be an overstatement: "each author in the Bible had an agenda that they were trying to put forth and often these were at odds with other authors" I have not read this particular book. I looked at Misquoting Jesus.So many were printed that it was in the bargain bin marked way down.

And now that we've been properly warned about books, you inform us that you simply choose to ignore the issue. These aren't "seeming contradictions", they are written for all to see. Would you like for me to quote a few? Or would you prefer not to be bothered?

Actually I gave an opinion about it in the sister thread to this one. I think the gospels represent a story that was commonly held by faithful Jews after the temple was destroyed. It was likely a way of coping with loss, speaking respectfully of the dead, and finding meaning for the tragedy and for the lives of the dead. I think the gospels are really from a common widely told story and are about a mythical man, Emmanuel (meaning 'God with us'), who represents many many people who gave their lives. Instead of the temple destroyed, it was merely a shadow of the sacrifice that these made; by which a new priesthood had come to be. I think later Rome adopted the story, decided to give it a literal spin in order to make it more useful politically. I think the original meaning of the story went underground into 'Mysticism' (along with some Jews), while the literal story stayed topside and was wielded by emperors. What do you think?

Finally, regarding this rivalry, you still haven't put forth any explanation as to what this has to do with the subject being discussed. Please enlighten me as how this is germane to the topic, otherwise I'll have to dismiss it as a red herring.

I am not a member of either university. I am just angry with them for giving me parking tickets. That is why I am attacking their divinity schools.

 

[Dream]

I hate parking tickets.

 

[citizenzen]

What do you think?

Frankly, I think the Bible is a bunch of fables and some history cobbled together and passed off as the word of God when it is obviously (to me) the work of men.

Here is an excerpt from the end of the chapter Who Wrote the Bible?, from Bart Ehrman's Jesus, Interrupted:

Doubts about the authorship of writings that became the canon were raised in the early church, but in the modern period, starting in the nineteenth century, scholars have pressed the arguments home with compelling reasoning. Even now many scholars are loath to call the forged documents of the New Testament forgeries—this is, after all, the Bible we're talking about. But the reality is that by any definition of the term, that's what they are. A large number of books in the early church were written by authors who falsely claimed to be apostles in order to deceive their readers into accepting their books and the views they represented.

This view that the New Testament contains books written under false names is taught at virtually all the major institutions of higher learning except strong evangelical schools throughout the Western world. It is the view taught in all the major textbooks on the New Testament used in these institutions. It is the view taught in seminaries and divinity schools. It is what pastors learn when they are preparing for ministry.

And why isn't this more widely known? Why is it that the person in the pew—not to mention the person in the street—knows nothing about this? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[soleil10]

What is interesting to me is that so far, the verses that you use to indicate Jesus is God are all from the epistles and John. The synoptic Gospels are all quoted in the Jesus is not God thread. Just an interesting observation, particularly since the synoptic Gospels generally are also quoting the more "red letter" fragments (Jesus' own words, but of course how they are taken depends on how we interpret them).
By the way- the verse "Before Abraham was, I am," while indicating prior and continuing existence, does not necessarily indicate Jesus was saying he was God.

Thanks for your observation.
I agree that the verse "before Abraham was, I am' does not necessarily indicate Jesus was saying he was God. The point I am making is that it is often interpretated this way.
Jesus as the second Adam, did not fall, overcame all temptations and reached the Tree of life. As such he became our first true un-fallen ancestor.
This is why I believe he said before "Abraham I was". He is also Abraham true ancestor.

 

[Dream]

All right, he's not a pop scholar. Ok, looking at the Wikipedia article an Erdman, he gets his start among the evangelicals and goes to Moody Bible Institute, has been leaving a trail of breadcrumbs behind him as he beats a path. I like that! The dissenting scholars, while they do not literally call him a 'Pop' theologian, are saying it in other ways. I am sorry I called him that though. I think he is trying to make a difference.

 

[citizenzen]

I am sorry I called him that though. I think he is trying to make a difference.

It's not the worst thing to call someone.

And ironically, the purpose of Jesus, Interrupted is to take this discussion out of the scholarly and religious institutions and bring it to the masses.

The subject seemed to echo nicely and expand upon poo's response to the OP where she points out that these conflicting vies comes from different authors...

What is interesting to me is that so far, the verses that you use to indicate Jesus is God are all from the epistles and John. The synoptic Gospels are all quoted in the Jesus is not God thread. Just an interesting observation, particularly since the synoptic Gospels generally are also quoting the more "red letter" fragments (Jesus' own words, but of course how they are taken depends on how we interpret them).

 

[wil]

There is the what they meant for evil G!d meant for good.

Just because something is a fable does not make it not valuable.

As Thomas was oft to indicate to me, many when they look behind the veil feel the rug pulled out from under them as Bart did. He felt lied to and betrayed, this is partially due to the fact that he fell hook line and sinker for the literal belief. Others who were in the same boat like Bishop Spaulding are still in love with scripture and G!d despite their knowledge.

I personally find it exhillerating and a relief and look forward to the next generation of Christians

 

[citizenzen]

Just because something is a fable does not make it not valuable.

True. Fable has its value and place, as does truth.

I do have to wonder how many people have been exposed to the truth.

Again, his point in writing the book is to ask the question, why are these contradictions within the Bible and questions of authorship acknowledged in the hallowed halls of scholarship and seminaries, but rarely brought to the attention of the masses?

Shouldn't people have all the information made available to them, especially when it comes to forming a relationship with God?

 

[wil]

I suppose the answers to your question are as obvious as his defection from the chruch and loss of faith.

To me Jesus teaching is that we achieve oneness with creation by understanding that we are already one. That the path to righteousness is to follow him, ie not follow him, but follow his way, a way of love.

That we are not saved by him, but by the fables as you say, by an understanding that it is upto us to save ourselves by loving our nieghbor, loving our enemy.

The church learned long ago that this is to simple for the masses, that they do not want to be taught personal responsibility, that they want to be lead like sheep, they need daily direction from someone, they need organiation, structure, and stories...

They also need to know they are right, which is easier if we can see that others are wrong...hence the number of sects and denominations.

Fact is, Ehrman wasn't the first and won't be the last, he is just proof that we don't want to hear it. The masses have heard this from many and they are conveniently called charlatens, heretics, blasphemers, anti christs, workers for the devil, satan get the behind me...whatever it takes I don't want to here it leave me holding onto my book.

 

[citizenzen]

The church learned long ago that this is to simple for the masses, that they do not want to be taught personal responsibility, that they want to be lead like sheep, they need daily direction from someone, they need organiation, structure, and stories...

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Wil, how many people do you think really want to identify with this guy?

Do we really think that this is the best we can do for people?

Welcome to the Matrix.

 

[wil]

Wil, how many people do you think really want to identify with this guy? Do we really think that this is the best we can give people?

Namaste Cz,

Is not your answer in front of your nose by our actions? Most of us wish to identify with this quy all the while denying it.

All the info is available to all. Spong and Ehrman and others are best selling authors... we've had workshops with them at church... some folks go back and take their pills.

 

[citizenzen]

Namaste Cz,

Is not your answer in front of your nose by our actions? Most of us wish to identify with this quy all the while denying it.

All the info is available to all. Spong and Ehrman and others are best selling authors... we've had workshops with them at church... some folks go back and take their pills.

Considering how this discussion is in the Christian section, and how little anybody's had to say about this, (present company and Dream excluded) I think you might be right.

I'm really sorry to admit that.

 

[Dream]

The outlook is much brighter than that! It takes time for people to adjust to new surroundings, and the amount of time depends heavily upon their age. That isn't because of senility but because of past time & training invested, mental habits which have proven very effective & efficient over a lifespan.

I was an efficient QUERTY typist until about a month ago when I started learning Dvorak keys -- its confused my fingers much more than if I'd never learned Querty. That doesn't mean my fingers don't want to learn or that they can't cope. People want to learn, and they want greatness of mind.