IlluSionS667 said:
I have my own ideology, based on social darwinism and the orriginal national socialism. I am anti-racist, but I do believe that races should be seperated.
Are there other people out here with a similar ideology?
I've have a read of the site and some of the concepts used appear quite confused. There seems to be a general misunderstanding of Communism, National Socialism, and Racism in general.
The idea that "races" need to be separated is in itself a racist remark. Racism isn't about being violent to someone because of their skin colour, ethnicity, creeds, etc - it is simply about discriminating against people on these grounds. And this is precisely what you are doing. Therefore your beliefs are effectively racist.
I have to say, though, there seems to be something rather "questing" and "confused" about your general outlook - as if you are looking for a system of absolutes to belong to - but rather than work on any real and actual history involved, you seem to invoke an idea that something there is a Zionist revision of history that effectively seeks to demonise the poor and innocent who believed in absolutes. In this aspect you've missed the boat completely.
National Socialism is simply about one thing - the strong rule. It isn't about creating a perfect society for all - it's about creating a violent and oppressive oligarchy to rule the rest.
You seem to imagine that by associating yourself with the ideology that you are associating yourself with the "strong" - but all you are doing is aligning yourself with the violent. I'm sure you would like to claim that there are social goals achieved in NS, and this is true - but this is only so that the fattened new bourgeious could feed off the workers more effeciently. National Socialism has one goal - institutionalised exploitation, via whatever violent means are required.
What is actually especially interesting is how you know this is an inflammatory subject - yet you have walked into an interfaith community and openly asked - as one of your first threads - if anyone else shares such a controversial view.
This suggests firstly that the motivation is part attention seeking - but partly because you are still looking for a sense of "belonging". It would be rather misguided of you to imagine that a multifaith forum would be receptive to such ideologies.
IlluSionS667 said:
I do not see anything of my ideology in South-African history. The only comparison lies with the seperation of cultures. But I also do believe no culture should rule over another and that all cultures should have an independent economy and political freedom. This is a very important aspect of my ideology. This is completely missing in the former South-African situation.]
The sovjet union was indeed a cooperative state, but was seriously flawed in some specific areas : people were paid per hour and not for the amount of work they did, there was no competition between companies, state leaders were not always competent enough, they never passed the temporary fase of repression, ... Also missing is an ideological foundation, as the Marxist ideal was rather different from the implementation.
Your understanding of these rather complex subjects seems rather flippant and superficial at best, I'm afraid. I recommend you read about them outside of the narrow band of sources you are using for the moment.
IlluSionS667 said:
National Socialist Germany did not fail. It was still in it's temporary repressive fase, when it was attacked by Great Britain and France, but was still evolving in a positive way, when it was defeated by these states. They attacked Germany, because they were afraid their countries would follow Germany's example or Hitler and because of zionist pressure. With France, there was another reason : it feared retalliation from the war it won from Germany in 1918.
My ideology mostly resembles the one of NS Germany, however there are some ideological differences. By the ideology of NS Germany, I mean the real ideology of course, and not the lies that have been told about them to demonize them and make them look like monsters.
The ideology of NS is in itself repressive, so there is no place for claiming that repression in Nazi Germany was therefore a "temporary" thing.
You also seem very unclear about the actual history of the situation - Britain declared war on Germany for the invasion of Poland, for Britain had a protective treaty to defend Polish sovereignty against invasion. Therefore Hilter's military action was in itself flagrantly antagonistic and invited war. Hitler knew this - that's why he tried to fob off Chamberlain with that famous "piece of paper", assuring Britain that Nazi Germany would enact no expansionist plans.
IlluSionS667 said:
There is enough diversity amongst the people in one culture. And I clearly say culture, because I believe seperation should be based on culture. Because culture and race are often a unit, I mentioned seperation by race. But I should have said seperation by culture. I was a bit too quick in submitting Culture to me is a much more important divider of people than race.
You seem a little confused on the issue - you have already made a clear point on your site of people being divided by race. Now you are not sure. You do not seem very sure about what you believe in. Perhaps that is part of the problem? Or else perhaps you are simply attempting to manipulate the emotions of members by striking out with as many baseless assumptions as possible? Maybe it's fun for you, but it's not really something that shuold be tolerated.
IlluSionS667 said:
I did not contradict myself. My ideology are based on social darwinism and the orriginal national socialism, which have nothing do do with racism. The reason why I believe in seperation of race/culture, is because I believe this is the best way for each race/culture to develop. By mixing races and cultures, you're destroying some things you can only find in some races/cultures and the depth of a culture is lost. The American society is a perfect example of the latter. I do not believe one race is superior to others. I actually opose this, which is why I also believe that no race/culture has the right to rule another.
"Social Darwinism" sounds like such a nicety - almost Galtonian in it's attempt at innocent euphemism. As for ulture being "lost" - you would really have to define firstly what "culture" is, and then why the preservation - even stagnation of "culture" is such a good and great thing.
IlluSionS667 said:
You can learn from eachother without mixing. Are you familiar with the folklore of Asia or Europe? These countries have much richer cultures than your country. If you start mixing them too much, the entire world would become a clone of North America. And I do not like the sight of that.
Europe and Asia have undergone extensive cultural mixing - the arising of the more modern exclusive expressions comes simply from the temporary geographic isolation of pockets of earlier culture.
IlluSionS667 said:
Yeah, I know my ideology is pretty controversial. However, I'm one of the most tollerant and openminded persons you'll ever meet. I dare you to prove otherwise .
I don't doubt your opern-mindedness and tolerance - after all, you are trying to argue the case for being more tolerant of Hitler and the persons behind the Final Solution. But I should hope this open-mindedness extends to the alternative views of these otherwise "alternative views" in themselves. In other words, I recommend you be more mindful of general accepted history. Arguing that there is a universal semitic conspiracy to defraud Hilter and the Nazi's, of their real role in history, would be rather disingenious, and make you quite anti-Semitic, though you claim not to be elsewhere.
IlluSionS667 said:
So I do not see why I should be banned. As this thread also is not in any way disrespectful to anyone, I do not see why this thread should be pulled.
As before, CR is neutrally inclusive. That means that people are not judged on their beliefs, but their actions. However, it is perhaps time to question your own actions, because you are continuing to make claim to holding genuine inflammatory beliefs, yet these remain self-contradictory. Conclusion - there is a different motivation behind the expression of such beliefs.
IlluSionS667 said:
I'm talking about social darwinism, not darwinism. Social darwinism is a theory that's just a bit older than the actual darwinism (it should be called social spencerism, however Howard Spencer never got the credit he deserved). It is darwinism applied to our society. It has been an inspiration for both Marx and the early national socialists.
I'm a little out of my league on the details of the social history pertaining to Marxism (Das Kapital was another book that, for some reason, Father Christmas didn't bring
), but the actualities of "Social Darwinism", as it is most cutely being referred to, are nothing more than the rule of the violent minority over the passive majority. It's as simple to synthisise as that.
IlluSionS667 said:
Not exactly what I would call a perfect society For me, a perfect society is a society that resembles the tribal nation, combined with modern technology.
Now that's more like it - you are looking for tribe - a sense of identity. And I guess you're hanging on the sense of identity being formed by the ideology that you are trying to align with goes way beyond what you are looking for - but I guess that's for you to explore.
IlluSionS667 said:
The symbol of the swastika means something different to me than it does to you. To me it doesn't stand for hate, but it stands for harmony, welfare and peace. This was the meaning Hitler gave it, and that meaning was deducted from the orriginal Nordic swastika (called fylfot, by the vikings). Just try to get past your bias and read the text.
We've actually discussed the
origins of the swastika before.
But harmony, welfare and peace is certainly not something that Hitler ever gave to the Swastika in action. Mobilising one nation against others is hardly an attribute of peace, let alone harmony.
IlluSionS667 said:
But aren't the differences between races part of the richess of the human race? Does it really matter of these differences are strenghts of weaknesses? They're a part of what we are, and it's a part of our identity. I do not like the idea of that diversity being destroyed in the creation of one world race.
Humanity is already One Race - the divisions are actually a recent invention - our friends in the British Victorian era looked to try and understand why Britain was the master of the known world. One more obtuse theory is that the British were one of the last tribes of Israel, and therefore carried the "real" covenant with God. Don't laugh - it's still a popular theory, especially where in America, where some are doing precisely what the Victorian British did - and figure that because the most important "lost tribe" became Britain, and that America was originally a British colony - that therefore the white Anglo-Saxon Americans are therefore the inheritors of the "lost tribe" status - America as the empire of the world as proof of that. Go figure.
Back to the divisions - it was an attempt to apply the new theory of evolution to humanity. The differences are not based on genes or inhertance but simply on arbitrary factors, often expressed in terms of skin colour. It was a rather racist theory, and Darwin's cousin Galton took the idea to the extreme in postulating the theory of Eugenics to breed a new "master race" from this "superior" English stock - a concept that the German Nazi's took to it's logical extreme.
IlluSionS667 said:
People will always mix with neighboring people. That way, certain races get sufficient new genes from other races not to degenerate. Also, the gene pool within a race is already pretty diverse.
Whenever you seek to narrow the shores of any gene pool, the disadvantageous mutations begin to have ascendency over possible constructive mutations. The nobility of Europe found this out for themselves in keeping noble lineages too narrow, and ended up breeding what can only be described as genetic back-steps. The general laws preventing intermarriage of close relatives are a result of this general observation through history - which teaches us to keep our gene pools diversified for the common good.
IlluSionS667 said:
And I'd just like to add that a friend of mine had lived for a while amongst the mixed people in South America (part hispanic, part native). According to him, these women are damn ugly, while pure native women are often very beautiful.
Well, perhaps a single source becomes the definitive account for an issue in your eyes - but the reality is actually more considered than that. Here in Britain there's a good mixing of Pict, Celtic, Roman, Saxon, and Scandanavian. Add to that a good sprinkling of Jew, Indian, and African, and you have a society with no specific cultural or "racial" mix. Except on issues of skin colour, you wouldn;t be able to tell the difference between many of these supposed racial groups.
IlluSionS667 said:
The top 5% of the most intelligent people in the world (still about 300.000 people) are capable of thinking way beyond the capacities of the average man. With such people in charge, laws would make much more sense and would apply more to the wishes of the public.
Not in the slightest - this is rather a poor straw man. Just because somebody is good at physics, does not mean they have the insight of human behaviour to make them a good judge of social issues. Although there's a counter claim that therefore people with difference specialities would therefore administer in their speciality area, it simple fails to note that understanding and empathising with fellow humans doesn't take an academic degree or a high IQ (whatever
that is) - but simply the ability to...um, understand and empathise with others.