"This place is dangerous for trying to find truth"

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  1. Avi

    Avi Interfaith Forums

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    I did not want to bring up an issue, which might be seen as tangential, in the Christian sub-forum. Since I am Jewish and my observations may not be relevent in that context.

    But in the B&S forum, I would like to know if many here believe that: "This place is dangerous for trying to find the truth" ?

    How is this forum dangerous ? How does it prevent us from finding truth ?

    Are we all heretics here ? Am I a heretic for asking this ?

    Poor Brian, trying to operate an interfaith website, and he finds out that he is misleading all of us ?? (Because I love to challenge authority, I am enjoying blaming Brian for all this :D).
     
  2. sunofmysoul

    sunofmysoul New Member

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    ahhh Jewish eh? how lovely!!
    you will be a hairy tic to some, (no matter what you ask or do not ask...:D)
    would i consider this forum dangers for trying to find the truth?
    certainly not...(and i only just got here...:D)
    i have found however that the label heretic suits me just fine...
    and I wonder, If Isaac who dared to wrestle with God, and many others would today be considered a hairy tic on certain forums as well.....:cool:

    questions should always be welcomed...
    it is how we learn...it is ...the beginning....

    (mho and all of its two cents worth...)

    with love,
    soms
     
  3. citizenzen

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    In Zen there's the concept of "not knowing". It represents a state where one understands the limits to knowledge and begins behaving more naturally instead of attempting to "think" their way through life.

    But this state is not the starting point of one's practice. We all need to search deeply for answers before we can live with the realization that none exist... which is something of an answer... so maybe they exist after all.

    Anyway. We all need to search for the truth. It's just not likely that it will be found in the posts of this forum. Especially mine. So move along... nothing to see here.
     
  4. Avi

    Avi Interfaith Forums

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    Welcome Soms. A hairy tic, I have not been called that before :), your friend, James, will probably agree with that description.

    Another troublemaker ? You will fit in well !!

    Actually, it was Jacob who wrestled with G-d. My favorite Torah patriarch is Avraham, he is famous for smashing idols.

    We ask lots of questions here, and sometimes argue about both the questions and answers. I hope you enjoy the forum :).
     
  5. Janz

    Janz What's Amatta U

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    Avi..I love danger don't you. I mean if I see a sign that says danger:..I just have to find out why. In the end, the road that twists and turns through valleys and mountaintops is so much more exciting than the straight and narrow. And I believe it was Nietzsche who said: "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." and Voltaire who said: "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
     
  6. Avi

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    Hey CZ, haven't seen you around much lately, you must be improving the world somewhere else these days :).

    Unfortunately, I am all too familiar with the feeling of "not knowing", although not necessarily in the sense that you are using it.

    While I was travelling last week I bought the Tao Te Ching. I am having fun reading it. I think I will have some questions for DrumR soon in the Tao sub-forum, I imagine I will probably see you over there.

    It sounds like you know some of the engineering problems I have been trying to solve.


    Come on CZ, I think you are being too hard on this little group !!:)
     
  7. Avi

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    Hi Janz, haven't seen much of you lately either. Perhaps this means I have been spending too much time here, myself :D.

    Great take on the post title !! I do love danger :eek:. When I was younger, I used to love to drive really fast :cool:, but now I try to keep it below 100 mph :D.

    But I haven't fired a shotgun over the heads of some neighborhood hoodllums, like someone I know :).

    '

    Thats probably why you live in the mountains (me too).


    Cool quotes !! But lets be careful or we will end up on that libertarian road again :D!!
     
  8. Eudaimonist

    Eudaimonist In Galt We Trust

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    The only dangers to finding the truth are the refusals to think and to discuss ideas with others.

    If you want truth, live the Examined Life. There is no substitute.


    eudaimonia,

    Mark
     
  9. nativeastral

    nativeastral fluffy future

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    Considering the statement that starts this, the quotation of Nietzsche is on the button. If you need the blind solidity of faith that FS implies then you are either extremely desperate or rather dim. The externalisation of blame implied in FS's statement is typical of those who embrace neither truth nor faith... but the desperate clinging to something solid they can hold onto. They use the words and rituals developed over the centuries for structure... but behind it is just fear. I find it very sad.
     
  11. greymare

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    DUH!!! Hairy tic........... OH now i get it. !!!! (LOL)
     
  12. sunofmysoul

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    ima hopin he grows on ya...:) and vice versa...;D
    why thank you! I have come from carm discussion boards, and due to my....questioning nature, just changed my avatar to heretic to save time...
    it was another friend who came up with the "hairy tic' nickname..:D (still looking for a picture of that for an avatar...:D)

    :::::smacks head::::::
    apologies for posting hastily, i am quite familiar with the stories that christians call "old testament" having grown up on those for breakfast...
    (literally...:cool:...our house rule was NO bible, NO breakfast...)
    I have been on a strange but most welcome journey over the past two years, out of evangelical (nearlyfundie) christianity, into....lets just say a "new place" (involving non exclusitivity) for now...(I do so hate labels ;as I find they negate us )

    part of my journey began with a book called the Gospel According to Moses, which at the very least opened my eyes to the goodness of questions...:)

    two quotes from Athol Dicksons intro...:)
    "One hallmark of intellectual honesty is the solicitation of opposing points of view."~Tom Clancy
    and
    "Unless we are gagged and blindfolded by preconceived ideas, all worthwhile encounters change us in some important way."~athol dickson




    sounds lovely...:)



    soms
     
  13. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    LMAO ..... Yeah, it took me a minute too :D
     
  14. Gatekeeper

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    I wouldn't call you a hairy tic, but I might consider you a bit of a curmudgeon. :eek: It's all good though, Avi ... No hard feelings.
     
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    I've often referred to myself as the "Happy heretic", lol. This place has challenged me to open my mind a bit, and to not simply accept the status quo. Whether that is a good thing is yet to be seen, but I know that I'm no longer under the veil of closed mindedness. When I first joined under another alias a few years ago (It was Comparative Religion at the time) I was pretty darn mixed up. I posted mostly in the Christianity board, and then I was lead to the progressive Christianity board (I think), which is now the "belief and Spirituality" board.

    I've broadened my views quit a bit since then, and have come to find contentment in what I hold to be true now. I'm still learning and growing and adopting new views, but had it not been for this board, I probably would had ditched 'religion' altogether.

    GK
     
  16. Tao_Equus

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    Sorry to see that it has failed you then... :D
     
  17. Gatekeeper

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    LMAO ... :D Funny, but about the only thing I truly hold tight to is a belief in God, and an admiration for the man that was Jesus, and of course the spirit behind the man. The rest is subject to change as it often does.
     
  18. GlorytoGod

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    some people including mods tend to push their opinions are being superior to that of others :eek:
     
  19. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    No actually I think it was called "Liberal Christianity" and that was a part of the "Belief and Spirituality" forum.

    But that sub-forum has since been deleted.

    Lol. You'd have us all give up the game of religion for good.

    What are you doing raising an internal dispute in the Christianity forum as a general dispute for all religions? Do you know your mistake, Avi? You've just made the scope a hundredfold too wide.:rolleyes: You've just diluted the whole issue. Reaching a consensus would be easier for one tradition, but you are asking us to reconcile that to many different traditions.

    I don't even think they have this issue in most other religions. I look around me and see a hundred times more freedom, flexibility and permissiveness. Thinking seems to be ok even in Judaism and Islam. But in Christianity, you could get a slap in the face.

    Life would be boring without danger. What is more noble and honourable than confronting danger to get to the Truth? Do you think finding the Truth would follow an easy road?

    Only a coward would say we shouldn't surf the Internet because it was dangerous.:D It's a test of both courage and mettle.

    Ask bananabrain.:D

    But really, it is Christians (ie. fundamentalist Christians) that are most notorious and infamous for heresy hunting. I don't think even Jews and Muslims go that far with that kind of demonisation and vilification.

    Muslim societies have their "moral police," but in Christianity we don't have a specific group dedicated to monitoring what people say and do. In Christianity (well, in a lot of churches/Christian communities, I should say), everybody is a member of the thought police, policing thoughts. Big Brother is watching you, but nobody has ever figured out where and from whence Big Brother derives his power or even the identity of Big Brother himself. He seems too intangible to arrest, kill and assassinate.

    Just when we think we've cornered him, he's moved. The System has a way of adjusting itself.

    Jews mind their own business. Muslims have a code. They follow the Islamic rules of engagement. They try to be nice, to be kind to infidels: "If you don't attack us, we won't attack you." At least in Islam you're treated like human being. But with Christians, if you're fundamentalist, a heretic is treated like a witch. A heretic is a child of the devil. He's an agent of something far more evil than himself.
     
  20. the breeze

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    Yes, absolutely, I once got a fundamentalist christian off my back by approvingly quoting a Gnostic gospel. Never heard from him again.
     
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