Melchizedek, we hardly knew ye

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I forget who, but at one point in some thread someone mentioned Melchizedek and his role in Judaism and Christianity. I don't have much to ask about the subject apart from what the consensus is among the regulars here.

Its always been my opnion that the last meal of Jesus and the Christian communion was born from the offering Melchizedek sat before Abram.

Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
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The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind. You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
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The identity of Melchizedek, or perhaps the lack of understanding about him, seems to have set the stage for the obscure identity of Jesus.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually
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There's the Qumran scrolls that call for the 'coming' of Melchizedek and Nag Hammadi texts that illustrate a greater relation to Christ than is expressed in Hebrews.

The lawyers will bury him quickly. They will call him 'impious man', 'lawless', 'impure'. And on the third day, he will rise from the dead ...

These things which I was commanded to reveal, these things reveal as I (have done). But that which is hidden, do not reveal to anyone, unless it is revealed to you (to do so)."

And immediately, I arose, I, Melchizedek, and I began to [...] God [...] that I should rejoice ...
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For this is the time decreed for the "Year of Melchizedek`s favor", and by his might he will judge God's holy ones and so establish a righteous kingdom, as it is written about him in the Songs of David ; "A godlike being has taken his place in the council of God; in the midst of divine beings he holds judgement"
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Kindest Regards, Mus Zibii!

And thank you.

Mus Zibii said:
I forget who, but at one point in some thread someone mentioned Melchizedek and his role in Judaism and Christianity. I don't have much to ask about the subject apart from what the consensus is among the regulars here.

Its always been my opnion that the last meal of Jesus and the Christian communion was born from the offering Melchizedek sat before Abram.

The identity of Melchizedek, or perhaps the lack of understanding about him, seems to have set the stage for the obscure identity of Jesus.

There's the Qumran scrolls that call for the 'coming' of Melchizedek and Nag Hammadi texts that illustrate a greater relation to Christ than is expressed in Hebrews.
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I would still be interested in what BananaBrain's oral tradition might have to further all of this. Melchizedek is an enigmatic figure, no matter how one looks at him.
 
Enigmatic sometimes being an understatement - as with regards to Melchizedek. :)

That such a person should make an appearance in the Pentateuch with such fine flowing titles, but almost no description, is truly one of the oddest things.
 
He's one of those odd characters or moments that fade in and out of the Pentateuch, but leave their mark. I was reading and found that the apocrypha Slavonic Enoch makes mention of him. But in addition to the controversy of 2 Enoch in general, the last few verses that include the reference are debated to be an interpolation.
 
And a trouble in general with a lot of the apocrypha - sometimes well-meaning, but not very authoritative.

It'll be interesting to see what bananabrain's response is, if he sees this thread - I'd be curious if he has any general commentaries or links.
 
May I share a mystical experience encountered a couple of years ago. I was running a training course and during one of the meditations, I saw this amazing man sitting on a golden throne. He was huge with white hair and a beard, he looked a bit like Neale Donald Walsch same build and generous wide face. He was dressed in gold and white and looked truly magnificent.

My first impression was is this GOD?

So I asked him, and he responded no I AM Melchizedek. In the ascension chamber there were many beings whom some call Ascended Masters or the Great White Brotherhood, and standing behind him were huge light beings towering above him in height. He explained that those that stood before him were the ones assisting planet earth and the ones that stood behind him were the ascended masters from other planets. He gave me the impression that he was an inter-galatic being.

I don't buy into worldviews of Theosophy on these matters, I can only know truth for myself through the evidence of my own experience.

In integrity

Sacredstar
 
Melchi-Tzedek means "righteous king" in Hebrew. At one point David is called melchitzedek, but I don't remember the verse. According to Jewish tradition, the righteous king of Shalem is Shem.

Dauer
 
dauer said:
Melchi-Tzedek means "righteous king" in Hebrew. At one point David is called melchitzedek, but I don't remember the verse. According to Jewish tradition, the righteous king of Shalem is Shem.

Dauer
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"Prince of Light" is the translation I've seen most often. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is also mention of Melchi-resha: "Prince of Darkness". This may be an indication of Persian/Zoroastrian influence. They had a dualistic system of Light=good, Dark= evil that was probably one of the influences on the theology of the DSS.
 
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"Prince of Light" is the translation I've seen most often. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is also mention of Melchi-resha: "Prince of Darkness". This may be an indication of Persian/Zoroastrian influence. They had a dualistic system of Light=good, Dark= evil that was probably one of the influences on the theology of the DSS.
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melchi does not relate to the word prince, which is nasikh. Melekh is king or ruler.

Tzedek can only mean justice or righteousness.

Perhaps in the the DSS the term 'righteous king' came to have a very specific meaning just as HaMoshiach, "the messiah" came to have a specific connotation other than moshiach without a direct object, which would simply refer to someone who had been annointed into a leadership position, and the translations you are familiar with take liberties.

Light is usually Or and I'm pretty certain there is a group at the end of days in the DSS called B'nai Or, the children of light. Perhaps you have your terms mixed up?

Dauer
 
Does anyone recognise these words?

yoredei merkaba
yoredei merkabah
yoredei ha-merkavah

being love

kim xx
 
Sacredstar,

I'm not so good with conjugating verbs at this point but I think it has to do with going down to the divine chariot, the merkava. Merkava mysticism is developed around Ezekiel's vision, which may have had an earlier form that Ezekiel's vision is referring to.

iirc, sometimes people would be said to descend rather than ascend to the chariot. I'm not very familiar with the system, and there is some new age merkava stuff that has nothing to do with merkava mysticism.

Dauer
 
Dear BB

I came across these words a couple of years ago now, but could not find any trace of any information relating to them and I thought if anyone would know you guys would.

Of course in Egyptian the Ka and Ba is the lightbody.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
dauer said:
melchi does not relate to the word prince, which is nasikh. Melekh is king or ruler.

Tzedek can only mean justice or righteousness.

Perhaps in the the DSS the term 'righteous king' came to have a very specific meaning just as HaMoshiach, "the messiah" came to have a specific connotation other than moshiach without a direct object, which would simply refer to someone who had been annointed into a leadership position, and the translations you are familiar with take liberties.

Light is usually Or and I'm pretty certain there is a group at the end of days in the DSS called B'nai Or, the children of light. Perhaps you have your terms mixed up?

Dauer
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Thanks for the correction. Melchi-zedek/resha translate to "King of Righteousness/Evil" as you said, according to this site , which also says that they are probably the same figures as the Prince of Light (or Truth) and Prince of Darkness that appear elsewhere in the DSS. I must have gotten the translation and the identification confused.
 
SacredStar,

some reading on Merkavah mysticism can be found here:

http://www.myjewishlearning.com:80/...ew_The_Origins/Mysticism_Merkavah_Robinso.htm

If you look at the bar on the left you will see there are a few more articles that go more in-depth. The article on Ezekiel's vision would be of interest to you, as well as the one on heikhalot literature.


Also, Prof E. Segel designed an interactive online ascent/descent into the merkabah based I think on heikhalot literature here:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Rels463/Palaces/Palace1.html

Dauer
 
Sacredstar,

I've heard that about the Egyptian before. However, it's important to take into account what the Hebrew root of the word means. Resh Kaf Bet from which comes a verb for riding something, a word for that which is ridden, for one who rides, etc. And much of this is outside of a spiritual context. It can even be used for chariots of war. It would make sense that two languages from the same region would have similar sounding words but I would look for the meaning of a word in its own language first.

I also disagree with those who say ancient Jews had a strong effect on the early Japanese because of simlarities like keneset/kensei, daber/daberu, goy/gai'jeen, kor/koru. Actually, that seems a little more plausible but I still find it unlikely. If I knew anything about Japanese I'm sure it would seem entirely unlikely.

Dauer

edit: Look to my post on the page before for links to merkavah info.
 
Dear Dauer

Thank you, I will enjoy viewing them at leisure after supper, it is wonderful to look at a totally new area of mysticism. This is a wonderfully diverse and interesting group.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
This probably isn't wanted but Ras Pidow gave a great reasoning on Melchizidek. I can do a translation if needed.

Ras Pidow: Glory to Word, Glory to Sound, Glory to the Most High Jah Rastafari

Yes Haile I Selassie I, He is de owner-founder of Sun Moon and Stars, Man Woman and Children. Green herb, heat, air, water. And all creeping things upon de face of dis Earth dat have breath. Dose dat fly within de midst of heaven and dose dat are hidden from de face of man. Internally live! JAH RASTAFARI! Let all living things call HIM. He is without father, He is without mother, without beginning of days nor end of time.

Hebrews 7 declare it biblically: no descent. Having neither beginning of days. He is Priest Melchisedek yet Father yet Mother. Without void without form, yet void yet form. All void and all form. Unsearchable!

Coming thru Lineage, Through even Jes-us Christ 2000 years ago. Coming thru Judah who proved a better Testamant than (Levi)-Priest Melchisidek. As it is written in Hebrews 7. Coming thru Acts 2nd, (29th) verse as it is said, Men and brethren, let me freely speak of the Patriarch David who is now dead and buried. But his Sepulchre is here with us now. Understand dat!

And thru the lineage according to de flesh, thru David line Christ must return to reign upon His Throne. Haile I Selassie I is greater David greater Son, who stand to rule and reign worldwide.

Unfathomable! The Master Builder of Creation. The Almighty in Person, Natural Man. Haile Selassie is a title given to Ras Tafari. Malachi first declare it. The heathen shall shook at His great and dreadful name.

Ras means King. Tafari mean Head Creator. He is Redeemer, King, Creator, in bliss, returned to reign forever! Jeremiah declare it: Iam black, astonishment is being taken out upon me. Iam one forever. So as de Sun is one, so Haile Selassie I, The Might of the Trinity, JAH RASTAFARI is one. One heart, one love, one moon, one earth, one life, so there must be one God. The Almighty JAH RASTAFARI!

CanuckRasta
 
And I always wondered why listening to Reggae made me feel so good. I remember that there was some sort of special relationship between John F. Kennedy and King Haile Selassie, The Lion of Judah. So much so that behind JFK's family in the funeral procession, King Selassie and Charles DeGaulle headed up the international delegation paying their respects. Also, at the Church of the Holy Seplichure, the most prominent position nearest the spot believed to be where Jesus lay in death, is reserved and occupied by Ethiopian Orthodox Church representatives.This Church is very close in doctrine and practice to the Egyptian Coptic Church which is generally acknowledged to be the oldest extant Christian denomination.

flow....;)
 
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