Trolls

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  1. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    Found this and thought it would be of interest:

    Different breed of Trolls >>


    The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post porn and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.

    The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the forumites.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not be able to resist posting again.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.

    – Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with their own behavior.

    The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.

    – Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
     
  2. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    Had to divide into 2 posts:

    The YerATroll. YerATrolls are those whining forumites who devote a tremendous amount of time and energy complaining about the tremendous amount of time an energy expended by Troll Bashers and Angry Forumites on the practice of troll-hunting. A self-righteous and hypocritical breed, YerATrolls spend all their time pointing fingers at everyone but trolls, petulantly demanding that their opinions be granted the significance the YerATroll believes they deserve. YerATrolls often start threads excoriating others for troll-hunting, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they're engaging in trolling by picking fights with everyone else. One of the most ill-tempered of troll species, YerATrolls are characterized by a childish need for attention disguised as cynical nobility and pretensions of being "above it all."

    The Agenda Troll. Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own – often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat.

    – Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to spread his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.

    – Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.

    The Sophist Troll. Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and intolerant species.

    When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree – particularly when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary views – Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide, condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

    When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. A philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.

    When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most hypocritical and aggravating of trollkind.

    The Affected Profundity Troll. A mutant subspecies of Sophist Trolls, Affected Profundity Trolls post endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any). Affected Profundity Trolls enjoy asking themselves questions, sometimes answering them and sometimes leaving them hanging, for they believe this looks intelligent and lends an aura of mystery to their incoherent ramblings. Affected Profundity Trolls aspire to become Sophist Trolls, but lack the intelligence necessary to make the leap.

    The Don King Troll. Related to Affected Profundity Trolls, Don King Trolls spout gibberish in the hope that they'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom they disagree. The average Don King Troll is "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."

    The Artistic Troll. A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most dangerous species.

    The Bitter Troll. Bitter Trolls are a curious cross-species. They can be trolls of any breed in their larval stages, but become Bitters after their previous activities are seen for what they were. What sets these trolls apart from other classifications is their behavior after they have been spotted and labeled as trolls. Angry, frustrated, and resentful about being "outed," the Bitter Troll will wage a campaign of indignant complaints intended to focus attention away from the troll and on whomever is responsible for identifying the creature. Often, a troll mutates into a Bitter just prior to becoming a Vulgar.

    The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers.

    The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself in the eyes of those who understand such childish behavior for what it is. Often one Mutt in a group of Yapping Dogs will act as the alpha of the pack, while the others chime in to voice their mindless (but loud) support for their leader's opinions.

    The Holy Misroller (HM). Holy Misrollers are those online forum participants who give Christians (or other religious adherents) a bad name. The HM believes himself or herself to be a Christian (etc.) and will generally tell anyone who'll listen about his or her faith in God and in Jesus. At the same time, however, the HM will display decidedly un-Christian behavior, frequently making an *** out of him- or herself. The HM is often characterized by a great deal of anger and hostility. The breed tends to lash out at anyone and anything not in keeping with its incorrectly narrow worldview. The saddest part about HMs is that they do not truly understand Christianity at all.

    The Marketing Genius. A Marketing Genius is absolutely convinced that you are profiting from your participation in an Internet forum. If you have a link or a graphic block in you signature, the Marketing Genius just knows that this is your subtle attempt to assert your hypnotic powers on other bulletin board participants, luring them with the siren song of your complex and inscrutable advertising of your site. It does not matter to the Marketing Genius that forum members have been placing links and pictures in their signatures since the ability to do so was first created. Having never created anything of value themselves, Marketing Geniuses have only their bitter envy and their firm belief that you are a Dot Com Billionaire to motivate and occupy them.

    The Honorable Nitwit. Honorable Nitwits absolutely love to speak about honor. This breed invokes the concepts of honor, integrity, humility, and other traits straight from the Boy Scout Oath more often than a Klingon warrior on anti-depressants. Honorable nitwits are convinced that everyone around them suffers from a lack of honor – an idea they thoroughly fail to understand in attempting to use its lack to smear others.

    The Old Warrior. The Old Warrior has been there and done that. He has little time to spare for those who have not been there and done that. The Old Warrior has been there and done that to such an extent, in fact, that he is always right. Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, is wrong by definition and should shut the hell up. Old Warriors place a very high premium on one's credentials relevant to the subject matter discussed – failing to understand the logical fallacy of appeals to authority.

    The Forum Cultist. Forum cultists are extremely proud of the incredible Internet communities to which they belong. They pride themselves on the exclusivity of those communities and actually believe that "it can't happen to them" – "it," of course, being their own banishment. Forum cultists place a very high premium on groupthink and generally react to differing opinions with outrage, banning all who dare to speak them.

    The Pretend-novice: Has an agenda to push but pretends to not to understand arguments against said agenda in order to push the agenda further. By appearing to be a new user, she can get away with combativeness without appearing aggressive or hostile and can always excuse any poor arguments as ignorance or genuine inquiry. (credit: aysiu)
     
  3. dauer

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    There's a really awesome illustrated guide to trolls that I posted some time ago. I don't remember the URL.
     
  4. Dream

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    *L* funny, although some of those trolls have their place in a forum. Like with some community acknowledgment and openness the classic troll can become a garden gnome.

    Debate can be sweetened by a little mask-wearing -- letting the ideas fight rather than the people. Think of it as prosecutor vs. defense or classic debate. I think this sort of simulation is a well-worn practice that works. Its analogous to the way we run computer simulation to try out ideas. It allows for dispassionate debate by allowing two people to argue about issues without having to defend themselves at the same time. I am not offended by people creating secondary identities or not being themselves if it is being done in order to let ideas talk to each other - not of course for personal attacks. I understand if the forum managers have to keep such activity in check, but there is some value in taking up another persona and trying to argue from someone else's point of view. I think it would be cool if the forum could somehow make provision for something like that. You have to admit its a powerful tool, and maybe with some extra guidelines we could make it work for everyone's benefit?
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I've been called a troll a couple times and frankly didn't understand it.

    Using the above definitions or one of your own, do you see me as a troll, and if so which type and why?

    I'd appreciate some honesty and discussion, ridicule is understandable, but not nearly as productive.
     
  6. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    I might go as far as "garden gnome", but that's because of the beard, pointed cap and the fact you keep showing up in photos of famous monuments around the world... :D
     
  7. greymare

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    Wow, you sure have given this alot of thought. LOL. (Ive been called alot of things, but to date, never a Troll). But by all means, feel free............ roflmao

    Love the Grey
     
  8. nativeastral

    nativeastral fluffy future

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    look, l have to say, as a member of the troll protection society, and having personally adopted and brought up many a cute troll in my younger years, l must criticize any slandering of these vulnerable and unprotected species[​IMG]
     
  9. shawn

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    Yes NA, such delicate and sensitive flowers.......must crush:eek:.....er....protect:eek:.;)

    And Grey, I didn't write the piece, I found it whilst stumblin about and thought it interesting, and that perhaps it might provoke a chuckle or some discussion.
     
  10. Pathless

    Pathless Fiercely Interdependent

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    Yeah, I don't quite understand the whole purpose of calling certain users of forums "trolls". Anyone who comes to a forum could be a troll, according to someone else who doesn't like what they are doing. It seems to me it's just a derogatory and pretty childish term to use to refer to someone, a slightly slurry label to tar onto someone disagreeable or obnoxious. The thing is, that's highly subjective.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    put pants on that thing...

    I remember that craze...didn't they have little minnie troll things too?
     
  12. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    I think I've behaved like a troll (different kinds in different places and contexts) numerous times during my membership here. It's never been consistent as far as my perception of my own behaviour is concerned.

    Maybe there's a troll in all of us. We all have to discover our inner troll.

    Words can be made to mean anything you want. Um, Pathless I just realised something. I have no idea what you're talking about.:eek:
     
  13. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I love the VERY first statement about racism in the OP.... And I just can't help but find the irony amusing........
     
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    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    Why don't the trolls just get on a boat or aeroplane and go back to their own country?:D

    What are they doing here taking our jobs away, evading minimum wage laws?
     
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    If one wants to consider trolls, one must also consider their counterpart, those who get too easily butt-hurt.

    It seems that all must make an attempt to go beyond trolling, which is the basis of what I call the Metalulz. It involves finding a good balance of retaining a sense of humor, but without "losing one's seed," as it were, to childish bouts of laughter. The best way to appreciate teh lulz is to preserve it and prolong it- almost like resisting scratching an itch too readily. This involves well-disciplined restraint and an almost ascetic renunciation.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Teh lulz, has no disipline or restraint....... "you do it for teh lulz" You don't do it cause it is appropriate or "proper" it's FOR TEH LULZ! (which your mistaking for some form of moderated humour.....)


    [​IMG]
     
  17. Dream

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    • The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

    One cannot help but notice how often guns come up in conversation with you, Wil. In this forum of smurfs and tree huggers, your pro gun right stance seem a little contrary a little bit often. One could surmise that your entire purpose for being here is to push gun rights, although I would not put those words in your mouth or make such accusation.
     
  18. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Namaste Dream,

    Thanx for the consideration. I think you have a point on the contrarian portion...the purpose/intent is not valid as I see it, but contrarian issues I believe I have. I appreciate the point.
     
  19. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    I do agree with wil on the pro gun thingy, does that make me a contrarian too?
     
  20. shawn

    shawn Well-Known Member

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    Not a troll, just contrary is all.;)
    I see a troll as a poster with an agenda to push, they are minions with a mission and are not participating to be sociable or to learn or exchange ideas or polish their debating skills, or broaden their perspective.
     

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