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A very important topic which has great significance for us all.
Gilchrist introduces a root principle of Sacred Geometry, Seven Tangent Circles.
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The Gilchrist Sacred Geometry website: http://www.charlesgilchrist...

Another good intro:
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Nothing new here. I have lost count long ago on crackpots who wish to use geometry to glory in their own misguided intellectual narcissism. Fractal geometry, which is what the imagery refers to without acknowledging that truth is an understood science, not a sacred, esoteric or divine signature. Of course the intro's use the standard techniques of the charismatic that demand, without saying so, that you are stupid if you do not follow the logical leaps they demand. If the people behind such videos were not so caught up in the ego of their own misconceived genius this would be nothing but a lie. It remains a perverse misinterpretation of the actual geometry it thieves and an insult to all the real geniuses such as Turing and Mandlebrot who gave us these insights into how entropy unfolds.
 
Shergar said:
Nothing new here. I have lost count long ago on crackpots who wish to use geometry to glory in their own misguided intellectual narcissism. Fractal geometry, which is what the imagery refers to without acknowledging that truth is an understood science, not a sacred, esoteric or divine signature. Of course the intro's use the standard techniques of the charismatic that demand, without saying so, that you are stupid if you do not follow the logical leaps they demand. If the people behind such videos were not so caught up in the ego of their own misconceived genius this would be nothing but a lie. It remains a perverse misinterpretation of the actual geometry it thieves and an insult to all the real geniuses such as Turing and Mandlebrot who gave us these insights into how entropy unfolds.
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Well, aren't you just a bundle of positivity.
I thought it a very interesting topic, but if you want to piss all over it then .... be yourself.
That is how we get to know you.

Apart from the pissing all over it part, what is your take on such geometry?
I put out something as a thing of interest and you chuck some mud, offering nothing but a negative sniping comment, well....equal time here buster, tell me how you see it.
 
shawn said:
Apart from the pissing all over it part, what is your take on such geometry?
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[wipes off dampness]

My take is that this sounds similar to the unlikely conditions of the universe that have fallen into place allowing consciousness to occur in the first place.

Some will say that is an indication of a purposeful god. Others point to the possibility that an infinite number of universes may exist, all with different conditions, and that consciousness exists in those universes where the conditions support them. Seems like "magical geometry" fits into that category. It's magic is tied to the fact that consciousness exists, which is a pretty magical thing indeed.

What I wonder, is besides the interesting properties of this geometry, what is it supposed to tell us? We already have avenues to salvation or enlightenment. Is this a new avenue or merely an interesting sight along the way? My inclination is to believe the latter. As a graphic designer, I find the subject interesting, regardless.
 
Thanks for the reasonable response CZ.

I find such geometry a good meditative aid.....something about the symmetry which is helpful.

That, to me, is why such things could be called sacred.

The fact that so many religions have woven mathematics and geometry into the basis of their texts and their buildings, their art, and their ceremonies should tell us that there is a profoundly important subject here.
 
Wonderful topic! Thank you, Shawn. Sorry some folks are just a bit too daft (materialistic, pessimistic, smug and - also dead wrong) to see the beauty here. There is indeed a Divine Signature, within every atom, every flower, every person, every Star and so forth - nor does it take an Einstein, a Turing, or any other genius to be able to recognize it. Children see it, why can't we?

Perhaps some of us could learn a lot by being a little less negative & cynical, a little less full of ourselves (rather than attributing, or projecting this characteristic onto others) and a bit more open to the idea of a Sacred Geometry.

We clearly advance our own agenda by attempting to quash this new-old study ... and replace it with a celebration of entropy. How naïve to think that entropy is the only, or the guiding principle in the Universe. This only shows how poorly we understand ourselves and the world we live in, and that we have overlooked the marvels that abound both upon our planet and in the heavens beyond.
 
shawn said:
Well, aren't you just a bundle of positivity.
I thought it a very interesting topic, but if you want to piss all over it then .... be yourself.
That is how we get to know you.

Apart from the pissing all over it part, what is your take on such geometry?
I put out something as a thing of interest and you chuck some mud, offering nothing but a negative sniping comment, well....equal time here buster, tell me how you see it.
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Why should I not piss all over it? After all you used the word "sacred". The videos use fraudulent claims, deliberately vague reasoning and linguistic devices to try and thieve ideas and hard work that good men spent their lives developing. Why are you not asking how dare they? I may be cynical but my mind is clear and not a credulous mush willing to believe thieves who steal good scientists work for their own perverse glory. And if you think you are going to find the answer to life, the universe and everything in the vanity of such video clips then may I suggest that you hold out a jug and catch that piss, for it may turn out to be wine.
 
Damn, speaking of piss ... someone' s cornflakes have apparently been pretty fouled up of late. My sympathies! :rolleyes:
 
taijasi said:
....and that we have overlooked the marvels that abound both upon our planet and in the heavens beyond.
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It is good scientists that have really done the looking, not crackpot vain-glorious esoterics believing in their own divine insights. But of course the Atlanteans knew a lot more:rolleyes:
 
It seems Shergar, that you have a deep grievance, but that is your issue.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on the things you are talking about as I don't "scan" what you are saying at all.

And don't be so quick to judge.

I posted these things as I saw it as very interesting geometry and as I mentioned, the fact that these things serve as the basis for virtually all religions on the planet is significant and certainly not the domain of modern scientists.
So rather than just act like the troll with accusations and insults, why not be reasonable and talk about it....like a civilized human.
 
Shergar said:
you used the word "sacred".
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Doesn't one get to determine what is sacred to one?

Mecca may be sacred to a Muslim, but does that mean you?

The Bible may be sacred to another, but not all.

Your relationship to your children may be sacred to you, but not everyone.

Seems to me, like one person's garbage is another person's treasure....sacred also is an individual thing.

After all, you are the first person I've met that likes wine in their cornflakes...to each their own.
 
My point is quite clear. The people behind such claims of sacredness take the work of people who make no such claim but who put in the hard work to show us a wonderful and beautiful facet of reality. If you were instead to devote some of the time you waste on such predictable twattle and get your head round the work of those who developed the mathematics they hijack you might agree with the people with the real insights. Why not start with one of the greatest mathematicians and Americans of our times who died without anyone seeming to notice less than 2 years ago, Edward Lorenz. Just because the seemingly incomprehensibly complex mathematics of entropy can be governed by a few simple equations doees not make it sacred. Invoking the word sacred only creates dogma and mathematics has no place for dogma. Indeed there are many unsolved mysteries in mathematics, many of which carry million dollar prizes for solving. So perhaps you should take time to understand it for yourself rather than hang on the ego of those that only understand how to subvert real knowledge to the age old superstitions of ignorance.

I have no grievance. It was you that jumped on me because I posted something you did not like/expect about the pretty little pictures that so amuse you. How dare the heretic speak!! Stone him!!
 
wil said:
Doesn't one get to determine what is sacred to one?

Mecca may be sacred to a Muslim, but does that mean you?

The Bible may be sacred to another, but not all.

Your relationship to your children may be sacred to you, but not everyone.

Seems to me, like one person's garbage is another person's treasure....sacred also is an individual thing.

After all, you are the first person I've met that likes wine in their cornflakes...to each their own.
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But the claim is that the mathematics are sacred in their own right. Which is utterly false. Of course to the religious everything that cannot be proven invokes the sacred cow. The mathematics of belief is always simple. 1+1=42
 
“The highest form of pure thought is in mathematics.” (Plato)

“The mathematical sciences particularly exhibit order, symmetry, and limitation; and these are the greatest forms of the beautiful.” (Aristotle)

“Mathematics, rightly viewed, posses not only truth, but supreme beauty; a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.” (Betrand Russell)

“But the creative principle resides in mathematics. In a certain sense, therefore, I hold true that pure thought can grasp reality, as the ancients dreamed.” (Albert Einstein)

“Mathematicians, who are only mathematicians, have exact minds, provided all things are explained to them by means of definitions and axioms; otherwise they are inaccurate and insufferable, for they are only right when the principles are quite clear.” (Blaise Pascal)
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Alas, these poor fools - Plato, Aristotle, Einstein and Pascal - never had a clue ... or a chance. None had the great honor and privilege of meeting a Shergar and appreciating true Genius! :rolleyes:

Hence, we must disregard their contributions, insist that such nonsense as was represented in these quotations and in their views, was merely that. Perhaps in the future we shall be so fortunate as to receive some of Shergar's sagely wisdom and insight on the subject of Sacred Geometry. That is, if we grovel, placate and concede that none of us could measure up to, let alone endeavor to topple, thy mighty Intellect!

Oh great one, do please enlighten us and show us the error of our ways. We have long sought for thy sagely advice, and our attempts to understand the Sacred Sciences have been in vain -- clearly misguided since we have dared to believe in a Sacred to begin with. Please come and remove the swirling mists from our minds ... UNVEIL the deep and profound, yet utterly materialistic and worldly truths, to which thee and thee alone have been privy.

We AWAIT your Revelation ...
 
Shergar said:
My point is quite clear. The people behind such claims of sacredness take the work of people who make no such claim but who put in the hard work to show us a wonderful and beautiful facet of reality. If you were instead to devote some of the time you waste on such predictable twattle and get your head round the work of those who developed the mathematics they hijack you might agree with the people with the real insights. Why not start with one of the greatest mathematicians and Americans of our times who died without anyone seeming to notice less than 2 years ago, Edward Lorenz. Just because the seemingly incomprehensibly complex mathematics of entropy can be governed by a few simple equations doees not make it sacred. Invoking the word sacred only creates dogma and mathematics has no place for dogma. Indeed there are many unsolved mysteries in mathematics, many of which carry million dollar prizes for solving. So perhaps you should take time to understand it for yourself rather than hang on the ego of those that only understand how to subvert real knowledge to the age old superstitions of ignorance.

I have no grievance. It was you that jumped on me because I posted something you did not like/expect about the pretty little pictures that so amuse you. How dare the heretic speak!! Stone him!!
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To repeat myself:
I posted these things as I saw it as very interesting geometry and as I mentioned, the fact that these things serve as the basis for virtually all religions on the planet is significant and certainly not the domain of modern scientists.
So rather than just act like the troll with accusations and insults, why not be reasonable and talk about it....like a civilized human.
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Maybe you are intentionally ignoring that.
As you wish to play the "axe grinder with a grievance".
The thing is all these modern mathematicians have just worked on things which have been fundamentals of all the major religions.
Their work uncovers these truths using the language of mathematics.
One could say that they are thieves if they wished to approach it from the same angle as you jumped in at.
 
taijasi said:
I know, but I figured it'd beat the highbrow snobbery ... :p
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I would laugh if I thought you were trying to be ironic. I have no claims to make. And I can live with myself having that knowledge without any desire to extrapolate esoteric nonsense wherever I look. Yet you post these quotes from great minds to make them your own where as I would use the first three out of the four as their authors so clearly intended, just to say existence is beautiful. Not sacred. Not divine. Not a homage to my own vain-glorious ego. So if there is any "highbrow snobbery" to be found here I suggest it is in your posts not mine.
The universe is way too big and complex for the limited intellects of even our greatest minds to quantify and comprehend. That is the truth. But you want to think someone who makes a YouTube video who fails even to acknowledge the sources of his misrepresentations of good science does!
Perhaps this is a true life clip from another dimension... perhaps we should call it sacred too!

YouTube - Man from Atlantis Opening/Theme
 
Perhaps there are some fundamental questions at issue here. For example, if a Golden Ratio exists within and throughout nature; the human body includes this, as DaVinci was hardly a crackpot, nor Dan Brown just a quack trying to make a fast buck.

But how did it get there? WHY does this Geometry exist throughout Cosmos, as the very structure (shape, pattern, composition) of human DNA, and in the design of the planets orbiting their parent stars?

While some might not believe as I do, that Mighty, Awesome LIVES are incarnate (literally incarnate, as we are) via celestial bodies, and even the microscopic, subatomic forms which compose our Universe ... I think the contributions that a Buddhist or a Taoist might have to make are just as worthwhile and worth listening to as mine.

The language of chaos theory will mean little to me if not explained or set within some kind of context with which I am familiar, yet if I dismiss the theory out of hand simply because it is unfamiliar, who is the fool - me or the chaos theorist? Perhaps the theorist is wrong, but I will never know until I listen.

Yes, there are those who believe that stuff just happens. I suppose the T-Shirts with 1,000 variations on this philosophy are about as religious as they care to wax ... but I find it extremely disrespectful, especially on a thread under `Belief and SPIRITUALITY,' to suggest that anyone who believes in Sacred Geometry is a crackpot, or has ripped off the idea from more reputable, legitimate scientists, or is misguided and deluded because they do not properly appreciate this subject - followed by, here's how you must see it.

I can squelch the sarcasm, but not the insistence that anyone who actually cares about the subject take the time, and demonstrate the respect, in listening to what others have to say ... and be reasonable about expressing his own views, which means acknowledging that they ARE views, NOT some kind of inflexible, unalterable DOGMA.

In this, the hardcore scientists are often no better than the religious fanatics, and I sometimes think it might be fun to just lock 'em all up in a great big room together and see who's the last man standing. Talk about killing several birds with one, simple stone. Solomon, eat your heart out! ;)
 
Refer to this thread:

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/trolls-12493.html#post222046

which class of troll is this one???????

Nothing new here. I have lost count long ago on crackpots who wish to use geometry to glory in their own misguided intellectual narcissism. Fractal geometry, which is what the imagery refers to without acknowledging that truth is an understood science, not a sacred, esoteric or divine signature. Of course the intro's use the standard techniques of the charismatic that demand, without saying so, that you are stupid if you do not follow the logical leaps they demand. If the people behind such videos were not so caught up in the ego of their own misconceived genius this would be nothing but a lie. It remains a perverse misinterpretation of the actual geometry it thieves and an insult to all the real geniuses such as Turing and Mandlebrot who gave us these insights into how entropy unfolds.

Why should I not piss all over it? After all you used the word "sacred". The videos use fraudulent claims, deliberately vague reasoning and linguistic devices to try and thieve ideas and hard work that good men spent their lives developing. Why are you not asking how dare they? I may be cynical but my mind is clear and not a credulous mush willing to believe thieves who steal good scientists work for their own perverse glory. And if you think you are going to find the answer to life, the universe and everything in the vanity of such video clips then may I suggest that you hold out a jug and catch that piss, for it may turn out to be wine.
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