Muslim intellectuals in the UK

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Does anyone have names of Muslim intellectuals in the UK.

I heard an interview on a religious affairs programme, in which the Muslim representative argued that there is nothing on the Q'ran that prevents a Muslim from being an active and integrated member of the society of the country in which he lives.

Her went on to argue that there is no reason why Michael need change his name to Mohammed if he converts to Islam, nor why Michael need wear 'Islamic' dress, which is not actually Islamic, but derives from the cultures incorporated into Islam. Nor is the niqab de facto a religious observance, but a cultural one.

By the same token, it seems to me the 'traditional' dress of the 'traditional' Jew in the UK and the US: black suit, black hat, etc., owes more to the Eastern European traditions than the dress codes of the Old Testament.

So in short, Moslems living in whatever country they reside are not required to create a mini-Arab or Oriental state. Now there is obviously the cultural issue with immigration, and that is understandable, the Brits create 'little England' wherever they go ... but there is a risk when this becomes identified with a religious practice.

By extension, for example, some scholars have noted that the more draconian aspects of Sharia Law derive not from the Q'ran at all, but again, from the cultural habits of the country in which the law is practiced, Egypt being a prime example.

Or the case of Afghanistan, where Sharia Law is actually a reflection of tribal law (Taliban, et al), and not the Q'ran.

After the revolution in Iran, one Muslim woman noted that headscarves were a cultural tradition, and that every village would have its own colour, and market day was a riot of colour. Come the revolution, and the only colour allowed is black ...

The commentator observed that as long as extremists are allowed to set the tenor of the debate, then there will ever be conflict.

I may have got some of this wrong, and apologies if I have, no offence intended, but it seems to me the way to peace is to open dialogue, not shut it down.

Thomas
 
Tim Winter (Abdul Hakim Murad), amazing guy. Some of his articles can be seen here. There are some video on youtube too.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/

Gai Eaton has just died.

Yahya Birt is another one. I dont know how intellectual he is.

Also try Hamza Yusuf He is American btw, but tons of stuff on youtube.

Afghan law is mainly tribal law. The country is in war for 30 years now & before that it was communist. Its difficult to find decent religious education there.
 
Does anyone have names of Muslim intellectuals in the UK.

I heard an interview on a religious affairs programme, in which the Muslim representative argued that there is nothing on the Q'ran that prevents a Muslim from being an active and integrated member of the society of the country in which he lives.

Her went on to argue that there is no reason why Michael need change his name to Mohammed if he converts to Islam, nor why Michael need wear 'Islamic' dress, which is not actually Islamic, but derives from the cultures incorporated into Islam. Nor is the niqab de facto a religious observance, but a cultural one.

By the same token, it seems to me the 'traditional' dress of the 'traditional' Jew in the UK and the US: black suit, black hat, etc., owes more to the Eastern European traditions than the dress codes of the Old Testament.

So in short, Moslems living in whatever country they reside are not required to create a mini-Arab or Oriental state. Now there is obviously the cultural issue with immigration, and that is understandable, the Brits create 'little England' wherever they go ... but there is a risk when this becomes identified with a religious practice.

i agree but as a former muslim convert if you want to be accepted into muslim community then it really helps to change your name grow a beard etc
 
I know ... the cultural impetus!

As a Catholic, at one time I was considering becoming Orthodox, but then I can't grow a full beard, so that rules out both Islam and Orthodoxy! I can do quite a nice straggly goatee, which many assert makes me look very Oriental, so maybe Daoism, or Shinto?

The same for names, really. It's pretty rich, a Catholic saying one doesn't need an Arabic name, when for centuries good 'Christian' names were taken from the saints ...

It's all to do with identity, and identifying.

Thomas
 
Thanks Farhan —

I'll check them out. It just occurred to me there is another whom I know, Reza Shah-Kazemi, who's written some good stuff on comparative religion.

Thomas
 
I think he writes more on philosophical/mystical topics. I thought you were interested in social issues
 
There was also the PR spokesperson for a Moslem dialogue group in the UK who made absolute mincemeat of his opponent when discussing compulsory sex education in schools ... the aim of the interview was to show how reactionary and fundamentalist religious education is ... and what emerged is what all religious groups know, the totalitarian fundamentalism of secularism.

So on the one hand we have a Muslim school who teaches the Q'ran, teaches modern cultural attitudes to birth control, abortion, sexual activity, etc., then teaches the commentaries from its heritage, so both sides of the coin.

On the other? The secular education ... and nothing else. No dialogue, no thought that maybe, with the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe, the highest rate of sexually transmitted disease, the highest rate of suicide among teenagers and the young ever recorded, the highest rate of self-harming among young girls ever, estimated to be one in ten, by the way, an epidemic of illnesses of self image — self harm, bulimia, anorexia, etc, etc., not for one moment does there seem to be any consideration that the attitude that produced these horrifying statistics might, is some small way, be connected to them?

No chance. Whilst, on the other hand, traditions that teach self-respect, and respect of others ... that's all reactionary old hat ...

Thomas
 
so you want to study them or have a discussion with them
 
On the other? The secular education ... and nothing else. No dialogue, no thought that maybe, with the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe, the highest rate of sexually transmitted disease, the highest rate of suicide among teenagers and the young ever recorded, the highest rate of self-harming among young girls ever, estimated to be one in ten, by the way, an epidemic of illnesses of self image — self harm, bulimia, anorexia, etc, etc., not for one moment does there seem to be any consideration that the attitude that produced these horrifying statistics might, is some small way, be connected to them?

Thats the problem with secular anything, its arbitrarily-designed-self- evident-truth, nothing less then faith or religion. Thou shall not blaspheme against that. It changes only when enough suffering has happened in its name, and is substituted by some other arbitrarily-designed-self- evident-truth
 
Hi Thomas

I don't really know any Brits but a second vote for Hamza Yusuf (he's brilliant YAY), also Yusuf Estes (another american convert) and also Bilal Phillips ... I watch them all on Huda tv. Erm they all have beards though.

I didn't change my name and nobody has every batted an eyelid, although I can imagine peer pressure for such things it goes with gang mentality.

To understand how much culture and tradition creeps into Muslim life we only need look at the various countries that apply sharia law and how vastly different they can be (even from area to area within one country), things tend to be interpreted amid already held customs ... perhaps its natural more than malicious.
 
Hi Thomas

I don't really know any Brits but a second vote for Hamza Yusuf (he's brilliant YAY), also Yusuf Estes (another american convert) and also Bilal Phillips ... I watch them all on Huda tv. Erm they all have beards though.

Estes & Philips are very Salafi influenced (I've listened to them a lot), that doesnt make them wrong in any way, just that I find Salafis usually wisdom less. I am attracted to people who are loaded with wisdom, not just cutting-ege arguments. Like Hamza Yusuf & AbdulHakim Murad. Hossein Nasr is another one of my favourites.
 
Hamza Yusuf has a goatee though, not full beard. Murad is clean shaven
 
I have never seen Estes as salafi ... not if you listen to the first few seconds of this video

YouTube - Golongan SALAFI

This is then a Salafi answering him in typical style (it's quite funny you should have a listen)

YouTube - Yusuf Estes Refuted Regarding the word Salafi

It's actually quite sad, look up Hamza Yusuf+beard and see all the Muslims going on about his lack of beard .... if only they understood half as much as Hamza Yusuf does ... oh boy.
 
BILAL PHILIPS? the guy who thinks it's OK to marry off 9 year-old girls?

Muslim clerics accused of hate speech - Islam - NZ Herald News

the "unindicted co-conspirator of the 1993 world trade centre bombing?

Muslim clerics accused of hate speech - Islam - NZ Herald News

the guy who justifies rape within marriage? see page 7:

http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bilal-phillips.pdf

and wife beating on page 9?

and holds the following opinion on suicide bombing in israel:

In terms of civilian deaths in Israel, those involved in the struggle there argue that the whole population undergoes military training and most carry arms. Consequently, the population at large are not considered civilians, but military reserves.

are you sure?

Bilal Philips on Tour

for G!D's Sake!

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
Estes & Philips are very Salafi influenced (I've listened to them a lot), that doesnt make them wrong in any way, just that I find Salafis usually wisdom less.

I see what you mean. I've only heard Philips on Huda tv and this side of him doesn't come out there.

I have heard Estes speak on a few issues on Huda and found him to be easy to listen to when explaining the basics of Islam.

Just listening to Abdul-Hakim Murad ... first time I've heard him so will report back.
 
I see what you mean. I've only heard Philips on Huda tv and this side of him doesn't come out there.

I have heard Estes speak on a few issues on Huda and found him to be easy to listen to when explaining the basics of Islam.

Just listening to Abdul-Hakim Murad ... first time I've heard him so will report back.

I heard both some 4 years ago. My mind labelled Estes as a soft Salafi (the guy had a sense of humor, a thing thats difficult to find among salafis), & Philips as a hard core one.

The thing I like about Murad, he speaks like a true philosopher, & that too in a very soothing british accent. There isnt much stuff by him on youtube. But I usually keep my eyes open for his articles, especially contentions series (available on the link I gave before).

If you havent read Eaton & Nasr, do read them. Eaton's book literally gave me an electric shock when I first read him.
 
The thing I like about Murad, he speaks like a true philosopher,

I'm afraid I gave up on the youtube vid I was watching of Murad, after 4 minutes he still hadn't begun talking about the actual topic ... will try some of his writing.

If you havent read Eaton & Nasr, do read them. Eaton's book literally gave me an electric shock when I first read him.

I will give them a go, thanks.

It's quite a difficult path to find really ... many western scholars are accused of seeing Islam through the prism of western culture and values so I always have the thought in the back of my mind "is this reformation within the boundaries of Islam or is it just another way to manipulate interpretation to fit cultural norms" (as the Arabs have done for centuries). :(
 
I'm afraid I gave up on the youtube vid I was watching of Murad, after 4 minutes he still hadn't begun talking about the actual topic ... will try some of his writing.

I had heard two of his lectures on youtube, Is Islam Compatible with the West & The Essence of Islamic Education. Both looked good. There is one Hamza Yusuf/Zaid Shakir/Murad colaboration too somewhere on the net (Dont remember its name). Ofcourse he is not an Imam, more of a researcher/philosopher kind of a guy. So dont expect too much fiqh or Aqeedah from him.


It's quite a difficult path to find really ... many western scholars are accused of seeing Islam through the prism of western culture and values so I always have the thought in the back of my mind "is this reformation within the boundaries of Islam or is it just another way to manipulate interpretation to fit cultural norms" (as the Arabs have done for centuries). :(
I dont read people who want to change Islam to something pop-culture-complaint. SO I wont be recomending any such authors to anybody. Both Eaton & Murad are people who accepted Islam because of their own thinking (they atleast came out of the herd), & now see the western culture from Islam's perspective (a capability that even traditional muslims have lost now). You should read their conversion stories.
Abdal-Hakim Murad - Quicunque Vult, or, A teenage journey to Islam
Conversion: Islam, the growing religion


The problem with many eastern scholars is that their islam is so intertwined with their culture that they have no idea where divine ends & human begins. The islam thats usually followed in UK is Indianised version of Iranian Islam. This in itself is not much different from what a lot of westerners are doing right now, trying to mold Deen according to the market, or their habits. So in the end you'll have to decide yourself ;).
 
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