salam code, what do you mean by understand? i've read the historical and anthropological information though there is, undoubtedly, much more than i've not seen. i have no idea why how slaves were before would be possibly relevant to the discussion that i'm having with Sally. i'm quite aware of being a debt slave, thank you very much. again, red herring in this discussion. if you'd like to talk about slavery in the united states or debt slavery in general why don't you start a thread about it and i'll happily participate as i'm able. i'm a woman i'll save you the long winded explanation and simply say that you're wrong about my beliefs. i don't tell you what you believe and i'd appreciate the same in return, ok? ...because i understand what my religion teaches and you do not. other than that, i'd say it's really not applicable to the conversation that i'm having with Sally so why don't start a new thread and pose those questions to me, m'kay?