Is there a difference between Pre-Exilic Messiah and Post Exilic Messiah?

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  1. donnann

    donnann Active Member

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    GOD is father of the heavenly kingdom and earthly. That means the whole universe and all its life and all its planets and stars ect.
     
  2. Ben Masada

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    With regards to influence of a religion on another, Zoroastrianism was rather influenced by the Abrahamic religion than this by Zoroastrianism, considering that Zoroastrianism was founded in Persia in the year 600 BCE and the Abrahamic religion reports to the year 1900 BCE.

    And for the Messiah, the etimology in Hebrew means "anointed." There are several aspects of the Messiah. Anointed as king, priest, prophet, and anointed to be simply a Messianic leader. Moses was a Messianic leader as he guided Israel back to the Land of Canaan, Joshua as he completed the work of Moses, Cyrus for having proclaimed the end of the exile in Babylon and the return of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel and to rebuild the Temple, and last but not least, Herzl, who inspired Israel with love for Zion. But the Messiah per se, is the People of Israel. So, I believe.

    I don't see any kind of prediction in Isaiah 45 of a future Messianic leader beside Cyrus himself, in whom the prophecy got fulfilled when he proclaimed the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel. Your reference to a pre and post exilic Messiah, is nothing but a reference to Israel before and after exile, when the Messiah was cut off from the land of the living, which is the Land of Israel and graves were assined to us among the Gentiles, which is exile. (Isa. 53:8,9) Then, at the end of the exile, the Messiah returns to the Land of Israel, according to Ezekiel 37:12.
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  3. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Admin

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    Hmm, my sources suggest at least 1200 BC for Zoroastrianism, but no doubt both religious groups were developing for some time.

    After all, it's been long claimed that the Jewish faith was significantly influenced by Persian beliefs during the captivity in Babylon - though it depends where on the academic fence you sit on as to what degree.

    Certainly even the Old Testament makes clear that Judaism was a developing belief system, from Abraham to Moses to David.
     
  4. Ben Masada

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    You are probably right as far as the exile in Babylon is concerned. The Jews brought back a lot of Babylonian influences in terms of midrashim. Even some of them were included by Ezra into the Torah, as we have in Genesis 6:1-4 as a prelude to the Biblical Flood, whose text starts with verse 5 of that chapter.
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  5. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    based on what? verses 1-4 provide part of the lead-up to the flood, there's no lack of context, it's all about the wickedness of society. and from that to "ezra did it" is a ridiculous leap.

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