Two Kinds of Salvation

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  1. Shibolet

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    Two Kinds of Savation.

    1. Personal salvation and;

    2. Universal salvation.

    Only universal salvation is free; personal salvation is as expensive as the kind of transgression committed against the Law.

    Universal salvation is the one promised to Noah through the Noahide Covenant which the Lord established with all Mankind. Soon after the Flood, the Lord promised Noah never to allow another catastrophe the size of the Flood as all living beings, except for Noah's family, had suffered universal destruction. What about if Mankind turned again as evil as at the time of Noah? The Lord had to raise a new people from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the pledge or assurance to His promise of universal salvation for Mankind.

    Israel had risen. Now, as long as Israel remained as a People before the Lord forever, the earth would remain seedtime and harvest and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night would not cease. In other words, as long as the natural laws functioned properly, Mankind was saved. Freely saved. (Gen. 8:21,22)

    Prophet Jeremiah must have read the above text and connected the Lord's pledge with the permanence of Israel as a People before the Lord forever as long as the natural laws functioned properly; thus, Israel would guarantee the Lord's promise of universal salvation of Mankind. (Jer. 31:35-37)

    Reading the Christian NT the other day, I came about John 4:22 and I was reminded that Jesus must have read both texts above; the one of Genesis and that of Jeremiah and concluded that indeed salvation comes from the Jews. "From the Jews" he said and, not from one among the Jews.

    Now, for personal salvation, the bill would have to be paid according to the transgression of the Law; the law of cause and effect; some times as expensive as the loss of life itself. This kind of salvation is so serious that, as Jesus himself said, if we come to the Temple to plead for salvation and we are reminded that some one has an issue with us, we must leave all behind and go set things right with our neighbor and only then return to the altar to plead for salvation. (Mat. 5:23,24)
     
  2. wil

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    And he created the prism effect of bending light....unicorns and leprechauns have been busy ever since.
     
  3. Shibolet

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    Will, ...how do I put it... no, you are not serious.
     
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    How do you translate Noah's ark and the blessing of the rainbow for his promise?
     
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    The rainbow was only a token to remind us of God's promise. The pledge to guarantee God's promise never to allow another catastrophe of the size of the Flood was the existence of Israel soon to rise from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
     
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    That was such a great statement by Jesus, I'm always inspired by Jesus, and perplexed by some of his statements, some I dont understand even though the evangelicals have their cookie cutter explanations I disagree with occasionally.

    it's true forgiveness is at the root of it all.
     
  7. Nick the Pilot

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    I am reminded of the time when someone tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II. Pope John Paul met later with the would-be assassin in the assassin's prison cell. John Paul forgave his assassin at that time. But at no time did John Paul suggest that the assassin should be set free. Wise choice.

    I wonder if any of our members on this forum feel John Paul should have petitioned to have the man set free.
     
  8. wil

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    folks should be forgiven for their deeds, but still punished for their crimes...

    forgiven as in not using those past indiscretions against them....but the law has its say as well.

    I don't need to harbor ill will for your words or actions, but I also don't need to give you the opportunity to perform them again.
     
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    "...but still punished for their crimes..."

    --> I agree with you. Unfortunately, most Christians do not agree with you.
     
  10. Shibolet

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    If you are a Christian, are you sure you agree with Jesus' method to be personally saved according to Mat. 5:23,24? His words absolutely discard the concept of redemption achieved with his death on the cross. As I am concerned, he was right because, according to the Prophets no one can die for the sins of another. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20) But hey, I am Jewish. For a Christian this prophetic truth does not sound kosher, does it?
     
  11. Shibolet

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    Religious political preconceived notions. He knew that if he had asked for the man to be locked up as a terrorist, no one would admire the act. But a request of the victim to spare the criminal would be accounted as an item in the annals of sanctity. Evidence of the fact is that today the Pope has
    achieved consensus for sainthood.
     
  12. wil

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    It was all a plot to get an elevated status in heaven...pure evil...

    after he is dead to be admired....no wonder he forgave him...wasn't any of his teachings after all...glad this was unearthed...

    sheeshbolet...
     
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    The intent is unknown, the act was Christian.
     
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    No will, not really "pure evil." Let's say, pure delusion.
     

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