Does God Learn?

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  1. EdgyDolmen

    EdgyDolmen Well-Known Member

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    Tea: Actually I think it (22:12) says what it says but if I accept your premise it changes nothing. You know as well as I that each of us could post a page of scripture to support either side. ED
     
  2. Devils' Advocate

    Devils' Advocate Well-Known Member

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    It adds an interesting dimension to the OPs question though. If God knows all, he knew what Abraham would do. If he already knew what Abraham would do, why test him in the first place?
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    The metaphor of Genesis gets in early on G!d's omniscience....starting with the apple...and then Him trudging thru Eden 'looking' for A&E
     
  4. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    So Abraham would know what Abraham would do....
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    and so we would know what the writers want us to think G!d wants us to do...
     
  6. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I thought it was just me for a moment.
     
  7. Devils' Advocate

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    So Abraham would know what Abraham would do.... Wil. Yep. Stock answer as was expected.

    and so we would know what the writers want us to think G!d wants us to do... Wil. Ahh. Digging a little deeper. Now this uncovers a whole new dimension to the point of the story does it not!
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    It is the way I look at most of the book....but the first one...was that a stock answer?
     
  9. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Stock answer as in not as good an answer as God didn't know what Abraham would do?
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    If I am going to go along with the idea that G!d "knows" anything.... I guess I should bow out of this one...
     
  11. Devils' Advocate

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    Only 'stock' in the sense that it was the first answer I expected someone would come up with. Since I don't believe in a God as a separate entity any more than you do, guess I should bow out as well.
     
  12. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Do we really need to bow out? This is an exercise in reasoning for me, questioning and turning things around. I might learn something in the end.
    Namaste Jesus, do you want thread as a list or is discussion encouraged?
     
  13. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I don't believe in a G!d that has the human traits of knowing, loving, learning, feeling, ego... therefor my concept of G!d does not fit the question.

    To me G!d is not a thinking, caring being....not a being at all. Tis why I call myself (currently) a nontheistic panentheist unitic... I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the biblical G!d.
     
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  14. Devils' Advocate

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    Likewise I do not believe in Gods, biblical or otherwise. Not sure how I can contribute any further than what I said in post #16, which contained my answer to the question posed.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    mayhaps you can expound upon this portion of that post?
     
  16. Kathie Bondar

    Kathie Bondar Author of "Voices from the parallel universe"

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    I think that kid is smart! How would we get answers if we did not ask questions?
    I think when people say God they usually think of an omnipotent, omnipresent human like person. There is no such a being. What there is, however, a system, a large complex system of which human beings are but a still very small part of. There is a progression of growth and development in the universe, from the smallest to the largest, for simplicity's sake I will say from neutrons to galaxies. Think of your own body: your liver, for instance, composed of cells composed of molecules composed of atoms. The same with your kidneys: composed of cells, composed of molecules, composed of atoms, composed of positrons, electrons... Think of your entire body: composed of your brain, bones, liver... and they all add up to being you...
    I have a book published in email format that will take you to the beginning of the answer to your question. Volume II of my work takes you all the way to the definition of the Creator, who he is, where he is (yes, he is a male) and how he got to be who he is. I think most people think of the Creator being the omnipotent, omnipresent God our religions depict, although he is somewhat different.
    Perhaps some day I will be able to release this volume also, once current insidious censorship practices are relaxed. Meanwhile it is refreshing that your grandson is asking his questions.
     
  17. Thomas

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    Well at a simple level yes, and that's understandable. Anthropomorphism renders the ineffable accessible. It's what the Buddhists call uypaya, an expedient.

    In theology however, the idea of 'person' goers far deeper than that, the classic definition: an individual substance of a rational nature' still has currency, but we're not talking about a God with arms and legs, or thoughts or emotions ... we're talking about God as person, but not a human person.

    Bold statement. I beg to differ, but there you go. If you accept the classic 'transcendentals', such as the Absolute and Infinite, there is omnipresence, omnipotence, and personhood ... but not human.

    I tend to view that as another anthropomorphism. 'Systems' are how we tend to view and classify things to explain them, and especially involves the reading of meaning and value. It takes what one can see, and projects from there ...

    Richard Dawkins, for example, made a classic error in assuming God must necessarily being 'ultimately complex' because of his observations of how nature works and how we read 'progress'. He wrote a very thick book in making his argument. The rebuttal was a very slim volume, but honed in right to the point of his error, which was essentially assuming a systematic deity.
     
  18. Kathie Bondar

    Kathie Bondar Author of "Voices from the parallel universe"

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    I guess I have not made myself clear enough. A Forum dialogue such as this needs to be short and it took me 400 pages to get to my deduction. I could have gone to the last chapter where the Creator introduced himself to me as a Super-giant-Galaxy, but that would have made even less sense that what I was saying about the progression of life. So, here it is, Ch.36 of my book, take it or leave it.
     
  19. Devils' Advocate

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    Are you saying you are a prophet Kathie?
     
  20. Kathie Bondar

    Kathie Bondar Author of "Voices from the parallel universe"

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    Telepathy and dreams always come through in present tense, first person singular and symbolized, therefore they need to be interpreted. It took me years but I did work out a reasonably good method of interpretation and managed to show where Freud went wrong. The hardest part was interpreting prophetic communications, but at the end I did that too. Perseverance can be rewarding
     

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