Have you heard of this prophetic hadith?

[Ahmad232]

If one wishes to start a real war on religion...start teaching and repeating that hadith...

Plenty of non Muslim war mongers will be happy to use that as reason to drop bombs... We drop them for less.

Makes me ashamed of the human race... These are the words of man, not of G!d.

what hadith wil???; i was just pointing it out as this subject came up

but muslims will fight in defense

 

[Ahmad232]

But I thought Mohammed (pbuh) was the last prophet? Hadith's are word of Allah?

Hadiths are ultimately from God

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Recently I have a notion that the ancient map of the world showed "Modern regions" and the regions that fell behind the pace of that status was due an un-researched reason:

They were all stoned.

I am postulating that all native regions had their own libation ---and they indulged 24/7 ... so they never endeavored to strive to conquer their neighbors.

Aztecs and Incas and the Manhattana Indians were all too stoned to take notice;
All the Maharaja's of Old India & indo-China & Filopinas & Russians where too blitzed-out to care about invading conquerors.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Hadiths are ultimately from God

Where is that revealed?

 

[Ahmad232]

Where is that revealed?

hadiths are considered a secondary revelation as they are either communicated directly by ALlah to Prophet [saw] or are sent by ALlah via angel or they are confirmed by ALlah after Prophet [saw] does or says something, hence they are all 'divinely sanctioned'; take a look at the '2 types of revelation' chapter in link:

http://www.ccm-inc.org/oldsite/iqra/articles/authsun/chap1.html

ps; these 'revelations' are different from the Quran as they are put into Prophets [saw] words and are not word for word speech of Allah

 

[RJM]

In your falliable human opinion.

Man writes what Allah Azzawajal decrees. In the case of the hadith, men wrote what the messenger Muhammad salla allahu alihi wa salaam, revealed to them.

I am curious though if you simply do not believe in Islam or is it all religion you reject?
Because without a supreme being there is no absolute truth ir right or wrong. No matter how "old" that argument is, it remains true. If there is no higher objective authority then everything is simply the opinion of flawed man.

So rape, murder, and incest, all these things are not truly wrong. That's just the way you feel about it, and the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you is just as valid.

All the murder i see, Is coming from Muslims in the name of God. Suicide bombers, murder of Egyptian Christian children on busses. Driving lorries into innocent people. Kidnap and rape of thousands of women and schoolgirls in Nigeria, and everywhere else there's a chance. That's just starting a list too long and vomit-making to want to continue. Just one day of ISIS would fill pages. But you're very proud of all this, In name of God? Everywhere it happens, it's always done by Muslims in the name of God. You love all this stuff?
Question?

 

[RJM]

It requires an answer, because it's not possible to pretend to continue a civilised debate ...

 

[RJM]

the only people wiped out by other humans will be the jews; hadith says last day will not come until muslims kill the jews and even the trees will miraculously give jews away hiding behind them which indicates a very thorough wiping out [oops muslims gonna be known worst than hitler with the ultimate 'final solution'? ]

in the last days miracles will happen such as anti-christ with his miracles and sun rising in the west; the beast from the earth etc etc so we dont have to interpret everything according to human doings; ALlah could just take with a wind

also this will be when all non-muslims will be wiped out due to a plague [straight after jews finished, Jesus [pbuh] will travel all around the earth consoling the believers; God will send a 'divine punishment' with Jesus' holy breath; it will reach as far as eye can see and all non-muslims will die within range of it]; the world will be just full of muslims and ruled by muslims; evil technology and it's know-how will likely be destroyed ... gradually the world will be full of non-muslims and muslims again and soon after last day will come, so it will not be a world as current where the kuffar have such power to make those biological weapons and release them cunningly amongst people

also hadith says in the very last days Muslims will only remember that their predecessors used to say 'lailaha illellah', so that's the only 'Islam' they will have left and even if kuffar did make biological weapons again i dont think those 99.9 percent secular muslims will be such a threat to them to want to wipe out with biological agent; now ofcourse people may want to wipe out just out of hate and not due to a 'threat' but the only people i know with such strong hate ... would have been wiped out and this group are 'genetically' what they are right?, so they cannot just 'convert' to such people?

so according to the evidences it's the jews that will face wiping and not muslims!

 

[RJM]

As above: you seem to love killing and death?

 

[Ahmad232]

As above: you seem to love killing and death?

not really; i was answering Amica2 who suggested a few times that muslims are going to be wiped out; face a genocide etc; why didn't you say to her that she likes killing and death?

 

[RJM]

You are calmly discussing murder on the internet. And you haven't answered my question. Do you like it???

 

[Ahmad232]

As above: you seem to love killing and death?

she seems to revel in the wishful thinking that muslims are going to face a holocaust; wiped out etc so i'm basically showing with evidence that while hers is wishful thinking, EVIDENCE shows that it's her lot that this is going to happen to!; an apt response right?

what you wish upon others is going to happen to you ...; Gods justification?

 

[Ahmad232]

You are calmly discussing murder on the internet. And you haven't answered my question. Do you like it???

i love it; see above post!

 

[RJM]

Alright, I believe you, lol ...
Others wouldn't.
Imo it takes quite a lot of insecurity to read that into her post.
Jews are people too, you realize? Calling for killing Jews is still murderous hate-speech?

 

[RJM]

The victim card plays out where you take a weapon and murder defenceless, unexpecting civilians going about their ordinary day, imo?

 

[RJM]

Thats where you're going with this? An insult? Insinuating I defend atrocious acts? I was simply stating a truth. Without an objective authority for right or wrong it becomes simply a matter of opinion. I have never heard anyone offer a valid answer to that and you have yet to either. Still no need to insult brother.

Animals don't do it. A dog doesn't foul it's own kennel.The tribe and species have their survival mechanism. Instinct for self-sutvival comes first, next instinct to procreate. Then instinct to preserve the young takes first place, until they are viable, then it starts again. Don't steal or rape or murder from your own tribe, but out there it's fine, go ahead. Adultery punishable by death, to preserve the tribe against weak genes and disease, etc. Even Amazonian Indians know this sort of thing. No scripture necessary, imo

Scripture comes in with: 'Let my outcasts dwell with thee, Moab,' etc ...

No longer just nature now, but Spirit having a word in

 

[Bhaktajan II]

hadiths are considered a secondary revelation as they are either communicated directly by ALlah to Prophet [saw] or are sent by ALlah via angel or they are confirmed by ALlah after Prophet [saw] does or says something, hence they are all 'divinely sanctioned'; take a look at the '2 types of revelation' chapter in link:

http://www.ccm-inc.org/oldsite/iqra/articles/authsun/chap1.html

ps; these 'revelations' are different from the Quran as they are put into Prophets [saw] words and are not word for word speech of Allah

Is Jesus considered a prophet?

 

[Ahmad232]

Alright, I believe you, lol ...
Others wouldn't.
Imo it takes quite a lot of insecurity to read that into her post.
Jews are people too, you realize? Calling for killing Jews is still murderous hate-speech?

yeah your right i must be a bit 'nuts' to read all this into it ; i listen to music on the earphones while posting so i suppose that makes me more sensetive and emotional , however to my 'defense' i'll say, you did miss her 'muslims will be the next people to face a holocaust' thread

anyhow lets stop talking about a member as a 3rd person as it's rude

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

yeah your right i must be a bit 'nuts' to read all this into it ; i listen to music on the earphones while posting so i suppose that makes me more sensetive and emotional , however to my 'defense' i'll say, you did miss her 'muslims will be the next people to face a holocaust' thread

anyhow lets stop talking about a member as a 3rd person as it's rude

Well Amica is Muslim. You misunderstood the context of her statement.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

But I thought the definition of Prophet was "A person who prophesizes what will happen in the future."

ie: Elisha had prophesied;
john the baptist prophesized [the Gospel of Mark introduces John as a fulfilment of a prophecy from the Book of Isaiah]