This Life and the Next

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  1. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    I don't fully embrace the idea of reincarnation, but I do tend to lean in that direction. Here of late though, the pitch has increased.

    This all started with the death of my mom and the unexpected passing of our Nanna Gymea 2 days later, an Aboriginal woman that's looked after our family nearly her entire life.

    While we were getting ready for my mom's memorial service, Nanna Gymea was busy in the kitchen making preparations for our return. She told us that she was feeling a bit tired and was going to have a nap on the daybed in the dinning area and that we should wake her when we were ready to leave. That's when my son discovered she had passed. Right there where she so often napped. There are no words to describe the devastation we all felt.

    So, fast forward a fortnight, someone's pounding on my brother's door at 3AM. It's the Aboriginal mid-wife who lives down the lane from our place. She was out of breath having run all the way. Very excited, she just kept repeating, "I am needed, I am needed!"

    Now, my sister-in-law was pregnant, but not due for at least another month and no one had called her. My brother told her that, but she just kept repeating, "I am needed, I am needed!" Ok, so while we're trying to calm her down, my sister-in-law shouts for my brother from their bedroom. He comes back with a blank look on his face saying her water just broke. What could we do? We sent in the mid-wife.

    A couple hours later she emerges with a beautiful little baby girl. The first girl born to our family for as long as anyone can remember. Prenatal had indicated a boy, however. Any road, minutes later, the phone rings and it's my mother-in-law to say that the wife's cousin in California had also just given birth, 2 months early and also a girl!

    The Aboriginals in our community wholeheartedly embrace reincarnation and immediately announce that my mom and Nanna Gymea have returned. My mom to my wife's cousin in California and Nanna Gymea to our household. So they all gather in the compound and stay there day and night for over a week singing, dancing and telling dreamtime stories to mark the occasion.

    Here's the thing. This baby. She's downright spooky. Now, in life, there were people Nanna Gymea was especially fond of, my brother one of them and there were also those she'd sooner avoid. When the folks Nanna Gymea liked come near the baby smiles and laughs. When the folks Nanna Gymea didn't like come near, she cries. She absolutely refuses to sleep in her crib or anywhere else. Just cries and cries, but put her in that daybed, she's fast asleep just like that. Ignores toys as well, but give her something of Nanna Gymea's and she readily accepts it.

    Then there's the day I flipped my bloody truck. They tell me the baby woke up crying right about the time it happened and didn't stop until I walked in the door. Nanna Gymea always knew when something bad was about to happen. She once told me when I was going to break my leg. Aboriginals are like that. They communicate with the world on a spiritual level difficult to comprehend.

    I don't know. Is it possible? Could it be? All questions I keep asking myself whenever I'm near my new niece.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Thoughts? Thousands of them....mostly to enjoy the new life in the house and the wonders it will bring....the connections to the past are beautiful...and will obviously be honored her whole life and she and your family will benefit from them....


    Side note.... 'Any road' colloquilism? Getting back to the story? Anyway?
     
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    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Spot on, (correct).;)
     
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    This life is indeed all that we have. We ought to stick to the Law to live it the best way possible. The next stage is called "afterlife" aka Sheol which also means the grave wherefrom one will never return. Do we have some Biblical evidences for this fact? Most definitely yes if you read II Samuel 12:23; Psalm 49:12,20; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; and many more.
     
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    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Might want to read through the chapter to make sure you understand the object and subject of a verse before sighting it to support a claim. May find it refers to something else altogether. Wouldn't hurt to take the New Testament for a test drive either or even the Gita for this topic. ;)
     
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    Okay Aussie, would you please read through the chapter and let me see what you are talking about yourself. Then, if you don't mind, let me know what the chapters are talking about. Perhaps you are right and they refer to something else. I did reread it and I still can't understand beyond what I did the first time around. As you see, I am giving you the chance to teach me since this is the aim of every poster.
     
  7. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Well, take Isaiah 26:14 for instance:

    "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore have you visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish."

    Taken at face value, it would seem once we die that's it. Full stop. No more us.

    But if we backup to Isaiah 26:13:

    "O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name."

    We find that God is specifically talking about those who had oppressed the Jews. Now slain and even their memory forgotten. The power of the idol-gods wholly passed away.
     
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    What I see is that Isaiah 26:13 mans that only the living can make mention of God's name and praise His Name. Oppressing the Jews or not, even their memory will be forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) The power of every one who has passed away, passes away with him. The Power of David passed away, and so did that of Hitler; and so does that of every one else. History is evidence of what I am talking about. And so is Ecclesiastes.
     
  9. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Could be mate. I didn't start this thread to argue scripture though. Everyone has there own convictions where that's concerned. I'm simply sharing a personal life experience and how that relates to the beliefs of the native peoples of Australia in my area. If you have any thoughts on that specifically, love to hear it. Keep in mind though, this is the 'Belief and Spirituality' section.
     
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    That's okay Aussie, on the other hand, I am not discussing religion either but Logic according to the Scriptures. I am not a religious person myself.
     
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    What about thinking about life before? Noting comes from nothing.
     
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    Excellent! Now that is something t think about.:cool:
     
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  14. Aussie Thoughts

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    Interesting. You know, some of the native peoples of Australia go so far as to claim the ability to communicate with past selves. Hard for me to wrap my head around, but as I understand it, they can communicating with their own spirit and and draw wisdom from a previous existence, or something like that.
     
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    Aussie....have you read "mutant message down under"? Plenty of aboriginal " stories" wrapped into that one.
     
  16. Maranguape

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    There was no life before one was born, neither there will be another after one is dead. As I have said before, this life is the only one we have to live. So, we better do the best we can to enjoy it.
     
  17. Aussie Thoughts

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    Ah, Marlo Morgan's fantasy life. Never read it, but it's considered utter rubbish down here. From what I understand, Marlo Morgan was confronted by a group of Aboriginal elders in '96, prompting her to admit the book was farce. Don't know about that, but I see Amazon is now listing it as "a fictional account of an American woman's spiritual odyssey through outback Australia."
     
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    So your idea comes from nothing?
     
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    Once read a nice book from a lady walked with Aboriginal a long walk about. She was later hard criticised by many.

    Everybody who likes to find out what life is really about has to do his/her walkabout for him/herself. Knowing, its not possible to tell.

    The cultur of Aboriginal is already dead. So too many near the Noble Ones and also those leave soon. Stories will remain a little till also those will disapper. So if having accumulated a little freedom and possibility to chose free, don't waste your seldom life as human being not with things that will not last.
     
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    It was a fictional account when I read it, I figured she did a bunch of interviews and wove it into a story...
     

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