The Gender of G!d

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  1. wil

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    Obviously not!!

    For the past thousands of years gay kids have been born into heterosexual households.

    While it is true, rape by pedophiles often creates more pedophiles, but this is not homosexuality, it is violence and control, power trips and rape.

    Studies have shown kids in families of two moms or two dads are not more likely to be gay, just less likely to have societal guilt
     
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  2. Abdullah

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    Ok fine, however let's consider this:

    If a child is taught he or she is genderless then that opens up vulnerability in them to entertain the thoughts that they could be the opposite gender than what their sexual organs suggest.

    Now if some of those children take a fancy to being that opposite gender, like a boy wants to live his life like a girl, then who will his partner be?; obviously a male as he thinks he's a girl, or visa versa, and that's how it influences homosexuality

    Same for other preferences they may choose such as to be bi or transvestite.

    When children are brought up feeling free to be lgbt with their parents and societies blessings, then without the normal social expectations and pressures, people can easily incline towards kinky or perverse desires they'll be more vulnerable to
     
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  3. Abdullah

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    No the masses are ofcourse not satanists, however if Satanism is injected into the culture in deceptive ways (I.e. in the guise of science, subliminal messages and gradual sexuaisation of culture) then they easily fall for these creeping changes

    Check out some of the Satanism in popular music and film culture:

     
  4. wil

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    Lol, kids don't choose their sexual preference... Who chooses to be ostracized by society and thrown off a roof by Islamic extremists?

    You are letting your personal phobias and upbringing influence discussion.
     
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    I think there is really no doubt that people are born with homosexual inclinations, as well as many other kinds of inclinations (or urges - whatever) and that - in itself - doesn’t necessarily make it okay, but surely there is something to be said for external influences ?

    Youngsters often embrace things that are controversial & off the mainstream - to be the rebel, the underdog, the non-conformists - or the unique persecuted hero.

    Islamic Extremists aren’t throwing gays off buildings here and being gay has become very trendy - by standing up [out] and saying you are a homosexual and you don’t care what the MAGA people have to say about it, you will recieve praise for being brave, heroic, inspirational and even evolved - enlightened or “woke” by a huge chunk of society - especially from the entertainers, most “Journalists”, on a lot of social media and the entire Democrat Party.

    There is a big, glamours & powerful Comminity in this Nation waiting with supporting-loving arms & praise for anyone who wants to “come out”.
     
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  6. Abdullah

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    Check out higher sciences connection to satanism:

     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    Arthur C. Clarke's third law.


    Your lecturer is using this to infer that 'higher' (or not) scientists in general, and Arthur C. Clarke in particular -- a science-fiction writer -- are supporters of satantic magic, and you agree? I'm not sure what to say.

    Clarke was proposing that if we don't understand it, we call it magic -- we attribute it to magic. A naked Amazon indian sees an aeroplane. Once we understand it, we become clear that it is not magic. An aeroplane in the sky, for instance.

    (Western) people wanting to climb Mt Everest are subject to satanistic influences because human beings obviously aren't supposed to be up there? Your lecturer really does say this.

    Jack Parsons -- who it seems had something to do with early days of rockets -- was some sort of occultist? Therefore obviously the rocket engine is a tool of satan?

    Remember it is Moslems who invented algebra, etc. It was once an amazingly advanced scientific culture.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    Arthur C. Clarke's three laws:
    1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
    2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
    3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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  8. Abdullah

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    Parsons was the inventor of rocket fuel that enabled satellites... that enables internet.

    The name dajjal that you heard in the video, is the name of the anti Christ in Islam. So dajjal comes to him in his dream and says to him 'your helping me', I.e. Thank you for enabling pornography at everyone's fingertips in the future.

    Shaykh hamza yusuf is a very intellectual, fair and unbiased person. He will never mix up contexts. If Arthur c Clarke referred to 'magic' in the context you mentioned, he would have understood the same and not put an unfair spin on it.

    This Shaykh like to ramble on a bit, deviating from topic sometimes and the mountain climbing bit was mentioned as a reference to how people are doing useless stupid and dangerous things without good purpose; just as a lot of higher science stuff like satellites and rocket fuel was useless except for mostly evil purposes

    Satan, according to Islam, is a genius as he's lived for millions of years and has mastered spiritual as well as worldly knowledge. The 'favour' he gives to those devil worshipping scientists is this higher knowledge of science.

    Oppenheimer, after inventing the nuclear bomb, quoted a verse from Hindu scriptures that quotes the devil: now I have become destroyer of the world's ...
     
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    ROTFLMAO
     
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    Ok. Starting with Parsons: he seems to have been a bit of a weirdo. I don't know much about him at all. Perhaps he really was conversing with the anti-Christ. However someone else would have discovered rocket fuel soon enough?

    Satellites also bring a lot of good. Science is used in hospitals and all sorts of ways.

    Arthur C. Clarke: Sorry but that IS the context in which he spoke about 'advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'. That's the fact.

    Lastly Oppenheimer: Horrified at the effect of the bomb he helped create along with a whole bunch of other scientists -- in order save his country having to fight another several years of terrible war against a cruel and fanatic enemy (or so they all genuinely believed at the time) -- he quoted many years later from the Bhagavad Gita to express his concern that mankind now has the ability 'to become destroyer of worlds.'

    It tells me that a religious teacher's words are taken as truth, no questions asked. Even if he tells his followers to ... do whatever?

    Sorry. The facts above are open for checking.

    EDIT: Not to say western culture is not often decadent and sick in many real ways
     
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    J. Robert Oppenheimer said this about his thoughts after watching the 'Trinity' test of the first atomic bomb, before the atomic bomb was first used against Japan. You will see him wiping away what seems to be a tear from his eye:

    'A few people laughed, a few people cried, most were silent ...'

     
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  12. Abdullah

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    He might have said it about his thoughts, but he had a concept that making nuclear bombs is like becoming like the devil: destroyer of Worlds. Note, that he didn't say 'defender of Worlds'
     
  13. Abdullah

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    Ofcourse satellites do a lot of good however we can do without it; no one was complaining 20 years ago when we didn't have satellite navigation.

    Satellites are used more for evil purposes like pornography and spying on other countries..

    Go on to YouTube and just read some of the comments under old-school music. People wish they were back in the happy and simple old days when life was far better.

    Things like sending probes to mars and man on moon etc are just a waste of time and money. Huble telescope gives us great images of space but just gazing at stars and glorifying God is enough.

    Ok Arthur c Clarke might have used the context your talking about (I don't think so as Shaykh Hamza wouldn't twist things), but what about all the other references the Shaykh mentioned about higher science having a connection with black majic?; there's whole books written on it by experts and I don't think they'll just make this stuff up and give their own scientists a bad name.

    If you think about it, a lot of the higher sciences is about inventing bad things like WMD's and messing with Gods creation with genetic engineering etc, this is the sort of stuff the devil will be keen to teach his followers.

    Anyway my point is not to denigrate higher science but to show how the 'elite' are into devil worship.

    About Islamic sciences like algebra. There's 2 ways people can master such high intellectual sciences; by being empowered by the light from God as a result of devotion to God, or by getting help from the devil and Muslims have generally contributed beneficial sciences
     
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    Hi Abdullah –
    Nor do you see young children complaining when they have to walk miles to fetch a bucket of diseased water from a well. They just get on with it, but don't let's kids ourselves that's the way they like it.

    So are cameras. So are pens and paper ...

    Sometimes discoveries have a potential far beyond what was initially envisaged. Printing was discovered through a 'happy accident', so was penicillin ... a lot of money-wasting projects have ended up accruing vast benefits for humanity, you can't measure in the short term.

    Can you list some books?

    But there contribution counts among the 'higher sciences' of its day ...

    ... evil lies in the heart, not in the tech. Show me the most innocent tool or device, and I'll show you how to kill someone with it.
     
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  15. Abdullah

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    I agree, however my musings on the satellite and space travel is based on the anti Christ saying 'you're helping me' regarding them. If the devil is pleased with them then they have to be of far greater evil benefit than good.

    Kids are getting unhealthy these days not playing outside and just being on the internet in their free time. Kids as young as 12 have access to sick heart corrupting pornography, people don't even have time to think about God because they are too busy 'entertaining themselves to death' with satellite tv... doesn't these reasons outweigh the benefits of these things?

    There's more reason I can think of, such as these things serve to make the elite more rich and poor more poorer (which in turn yields more power into the baddies hands)... the consumerist culture of buy buy and more buy is particularly thriving on associated gadgets like mobile phone, computer etc..

    So it does seem like there's more benefit to the dajjal then to the benefit of humanity
     
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    Shaykh Hamza says in video one of the books he read was called: 'knowledge is power- majic and the creation of science'. Its a biography of Francis Bacon.
     
  17. Abdullah

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    Arthur C Clarke said that 'higher level of science is indistinguishable from majic'

    That sentence speaks for itself

    He wasn't saying that the results of higher sciences (such as telephones, planes, space travel etc etc 'seems like majic') but he was saying that higher sciences is synonymous to majic, I.e. you get to know of the higher sciences by doing the devil worship black majic

    If you read my posts in context on this issue you'll see I've backed up all my claims here with evidences and sound reasonings. Nope, we don't just take a religious teachers' word for it without verification
     
  18. RJM Corbet

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    You are asking me to read your posts in context. But I have given you the context and exact words of Clarke and Oppenheimer comments? and still you take them out of context. Arthur C was a science fiction writer. He wasn't even a scientist.

    One thing I've learned, there's no going back to the past. Life moves along whether we like it or not.

    Again I am relying completely on what my teacher said in a you tube video. Any other books?

    How about Isaac Newton? Albert Einstein? Arthur Eddington? Neils Bohr? Richard Feynman? Wolfgang Pauli? Werner Heisenberg? Stephen Hawking? Max Planck? Edwin Hubble? Marie Curie?

    All satanists? I'll wait while you consult you tube, if you like?

    Leonard Suskind? Roger Penrose? Alan Guth?
     
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    I am alive due to science. I am communicating on this forum and with this device due to science. If you ever convince me that is due to the devil, my religious beliefs will change immediately!
     
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    But you tube is internet? If everybody prefers the good old days of polio and smallpox, why don't they give their internet devices away?

    There was much good about the past. Of course. I dislike much about the 'modern' world. Especially social media. I hate TV and loathe Facebook and Twitter.

    I try to check out the truth of everything I see and read on social media. Especially if I'm going to repost it. I wish everyone else did the same. Mostly it's half-truth, at best.

    So I dont believe most scientists are dancing to the devil. And I don't believe it is right to try to force people back to live in the past. Ok?

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