Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by RJM Corbet, Sep 25, 2018.
Lol, my error... That makes it at alot easier!
Yep, the Americans of their day!
If you look at the Catholic Code of Canon Law there are some 1750 canonical rules.
Even the smallest clubs have their constitutions.
I thought it varied...from ortho, conservative, reform, reconstruction and renewal....I've met a number of flavors and lots of conservatives that were more literal than ultra orthos
Whether or not He determines it is irrelevant. All that matters is that God knows that if I exist I am going to go to Hell. If He knows this then allows my existence He has condemned me to hell and the only chance I have in escaping it is to prove His knowledge faulty.. a steep task to put it lightly.
Another way I can think to put it is that if I have option A and B in front of me and God tells you that I am going to choose A.. how can I possibly choose B?
Perhaps 'God knows' that at the end of time all creation will have returned to the ultimate perfection from which it originated -- to 'Himself'?
No, it's absolutely relevant.
No, what actually matters is the choices you make. God will honour those choices. That's what being 'free' and 'autonomous' means.
No, there's the flaw. God has not condemned you, you have condemned yourself.
God doesn't do that.
Oooh! Skating on heresiarch waters here, old friend Actually, I am inclined to agree with you, but let's keep this to ourselves.
Your secret is safe with me guys. Although, I think the Bhagavad Gita may have let the cat out of the bag.
You know you are enlightened when everyone you see you see as enlightened...
We've been given this big blue ball, these fellow travelers, and this vehicle to experience it all in, and until we learn to play nice with the toys given...we won't get anymore.
Can you explain the relevance? If God knows I am going to do something, it is as good as done right? What does it matter whether or not He directly influenced me to do it or not?
That's the problem I am having, if God knows the choices I'm going to make before I make them then they are merely an illusion of choices.
If God knows I am going to condemn myself, how do I go about not condemning myself?
Probably because the future doesn't exist.
I think so. Whatever Gods plan is, it is perfect and all roads will lead to it.
It's like watching rain go down glass. You don't know the speed and path each drop is going to take, but you know where they are going to end up.
I believe this is the case, whether talking about what it says in the Qur'an or Hindu, Buddhist and Gnostic texts and pagan traditions, it's quite a consistent belief.
Because God knows what you are going to do does not mean God's will is that you do it. Pre-knowledge does not mean pre-determination.
No they're not, that doesn't follow at all – I'd cite the analogy of parent and child again – a parent often knows what their child is going to do, but that does not mean the child is being coerced in any way by the parent.
Does G!d learn from men?
I certainly hope so, we should all learn from our mistakes.
Well, this isn't very clear. 'God' already sees the result, before it happens? But I can change that result by my own choice, before it happens? Perhaps it's really just human beings trying to limit 'God'?
I'm of the belief that God knows our disposition and therefore how we'll react to temptation, [if] we choose to do so. The choice is ours. Run headlong into the woods or retreat.
But God gave us the disposition that we have?
"Hey Lord, well you made me like I am ..." John (Cougar) Mellencamp (Void in my Heart)
You mean John (don't call me cougar) mellencamp....
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