The Highest Truth

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  1. Oh, I get it now.......:)
     
  2. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Active Member

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    I have learnt that there are two choice [okay three]:

    1] Becoming One with the Void and sincerely renouncing everything as "Maya" [aka Illusion]
    2] Engage in Eating, sleeping, Mating & defending birth after birth ... playing each future life time "off-the-cuff".
    3] Bhakti-yoga to Bhagavan Shree Krishna
     
  3. I was hoping for a fourth, "Apprenticeship to the Cobbler Saichi"
     
  4. steveb1

    steveb1 New Member

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    The highest truth and/or the ultimate reality in Mahayana Buddhism- the Dharmakaya - is ineffable - thus without words. And without form. If my memory serves, it can only be known by perception via manifestation of a Sambhogakaya or a Nirmāṇakāya Buddha Body. So in a way cosmic Compassion sees to it that the ineffable enters into the realm of the (barely?) understandable through skillful means.
     
  5. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    You make it sound so simple ...

    Can you expand on the technical terms a little?
     
  6. KnowSelf

    KnowSelf Active Member

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    i think I understand "the highest truth is without image" My highest truth is God as my image of God presents itself to me. However, the highest truth is not limited to what I understand the highest truth to be. Without personal imagery the highest truth is beyond all combinations of truths and theories. It is infinite and immeasurable. Question, does truth change?
     
  7. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    No .. it is our understanding that might change.
     
  8. steveb1

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    In Mahayana, Buddha has three manifestations or "bodies": the Dharmakaya, the Sambhogakaya, and the Nirmanakaya.

    The Dharmakaya is uknowable from a human standpoint - it's ineffable like the Godhead in apophatic terms.

    The Sambhogakaya is a Buddha's manifestation in a "godly" or heavenly mode.

    The Nirmanakaya is a Buddha's manifestation, as in Gotama Buddha.

    We cannot know the Dharmakaya; if we inhabit a celestial realm, we ourselves are a Samboghakaya Buddha and can perceive other Buddhas in the heavenly abode.

    We can be an earthly Nirmanakaya Buddha, and we can also see, touch, and learn from these kinds of "this-world-dwelling Buddhas" like Gotama.
     
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    Is truth concrete or fluid?
     
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    The question. "Does truth change was obvious" , however, confirm or deny? "i think I understand "the highest truth is without image" My highest truth is God as my image of God presents itself to me. However, the highest truth is not limited to what I understand the highest truth to be. Without personal imagery the highest truth is beyond all combinations of truths and theories. It is infinite and immeasurable"
     
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    Truth is concrete, interpretation is fluid
     
  12. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Interesting, but can you bring it down to earth a bit? What bearing does absolute concrete or fluid truth have on our lives?
     
  13. KnowSelf

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    Interpretation is fluid, there may be multiple interpretation to describe enlightenment or truth. Truth is truth it cannot be any thing else
     
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    That's right, G-d is Absolute .. Truth is Absolute.
    Creeds come from a few considerations, not least being interpretation of scriptures.
    Which creed is right .. or indeed, are any of them right? :)

    I suppose it depends on how much detail you want to establish.
    As far as Abrahamic religion goes, the basic foundation is:-

    The Lord our G-d is One Lord
    ..and we can build on that..
    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind

    ..but beware .. it all falls down if we contradict the first commandment.
    ..just like a house-of-cards or sandcastle.
     
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  15. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Exactly!

    And as I've said before, it's what the secular humanists just can't seem to get.

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    But I think the aggressive American type evangelical so-called tribal Christianity has badly skewed the whole thing for lots of people.
     
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  16. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Which one is the first one? God delivered the Israelites out of Egyptian slavery? Or, God only is worthy of worship?

    Depends on whom you ask, right?

    Are commandments the same as articles of faith, or are they more like exercises, role descriptions, or mission statements?

    And how does truth translate into action?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    The First Commandment is to love God (with all the heart and mind and soul). God alone is worthy of worship. It's quite clear.

    Not really, imo. It is a bit difficult to fudge away the existence and clarity of the first commandment. It is the core essence, and not just of Abrahamics alone?


    Integrity. All the other commandments flow from the first.

    God shows the way.

    Trust in the Lord with all your heart; and lean not on your own understanding.
    In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your paths.
    Be not wise in your own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
    Proverbs 3 5-7

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  18. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    While it may be a technicality with little overall impact on the present topic, the fact is that the 10 commandments are "cut" or numbered differently by different traditions; and that the first commandment (of ten) is one of the cases where the differences "make a difference" so to speak.

    Within those traditions, certainly, I'd agree.

    Other traditions, like Buddhism, or folk religions, are less concerned with identifying a single central truth from which all others flow, and are configured more like a web of interdependent duties or causalities.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    But they for whom I am the End Supreme, who surrender all their works to me, and who with pure love meditate on me and adore me -- these I very soon deliver from the ocean of life-in-death, because they have set their heart on me.

    Set your heart on me alone, and give to me your understanding: you shall in truth live in me hereafter.

    Bhagavad Gita 12:6-8
     
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  20. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Should be should be posed as is and is still being manifested and/or revealed. I think life reveals all in its own time ... you know grow as we go. I think some get stuck where they are, almost as if trapped in a snare, unable to break free from what they've always known or believed or thought they understood. The is is true for me... I get stuck like everyone else. Sometimes the snare or what can seem like a mountain is no more than a grain of sand, an irritant more than an obstacle. So, I look at life ... I I guess as an ultimate teacher and borrow from this book and that book, this religion, that religion and attempt to understand the why behind the philosophy or religion itself.
     

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