The Highest Truth

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  1. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Here's a thought regarding the "something from nothing" puzzle, the "can't enlighten another being":

    Causality is statistically significant, a statistical fact. That means there are some events outside the confidence interval, at the tail ends of the probability distribution, outside causality, so to speak.
     
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    My own revelation toward the perception of the highest high could not be possible without embracing all I am
     
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    Especially when there's nothing to perceive.
     
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    Judaism, i think, is much the same. For a polytheist society, the question of theodicy was central. The Abrahamic creation myth corresponds in some ways with the Hindu, I've been told, and the Greek idea that creation is fundamentally good, but flawed ...

    Hey-ho ... seems that is a universal principle!

    Real-world stuff, you mean :D
     
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    I think neuroscience and psychology would have a lot of enlightening things to say about that.

    And all our spiritual concepts and values are received before they are perceived, so really although one might well control, and even build our own vehicle, the roads have been laid ...

    We're nowhere near as self-sufficient or self-realising as we like to think we are.
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Those pesky veils, obscuring the void?
     
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    Not so sure ... can you speak authoritatively for every one and every instance?

    If that is the case does not enlightenment then become a term without any meaning beyond a subjective idea?

    If the meaning of words is dependent on individual determination, then language becomes just noise.
     
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    Sort of ... I'm mindful of the western mindset/left brain desire to categorise and quantify.

    If we're talking absolutes like 'truth', etc., then there is nothing to see. It's a quality ... and when we're into 'the Highest Truth' then we're into abstractions?
     
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    hypothetically speaking; Truth is it is raining, speculation is the forecast calls for rain Enlightenment is both truth and the forecast or gut feeling there is something more to life and living than I am fully aware of at this time in my life.

    No I take that back; Enlightenment is the knowing of what was searched after.
     
  10. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Embracing all I am: the highest highs, the basest lows. I admit "embracing all I am" sounds a lot better than "what goes up must come down", but I like the grounding it gives me, the honesty, the acknowledgement of those terrible sides of me that I'd prefer to think only other people ever exhibit.

    Is this knowing a once-and-for-all kind of knowing, like getting wet in the rain? Or are there more droughts in the future?
     
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    I'm not overly fond of dark clouds and discomforting states of being, however, I appreciate the adversity for what I may gain.
     
  12. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    I'm not sure I came across the way I wanted to. I wasn't talking about states of being, but the parts of me which hurt others, which delight in causing difficulties - my capacity for being a dick.
     
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    Maybe you are a cynical teacher?
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Ah, right there, well spotted. I'm interested in enlightenment, I'm not a teacher, and I get edgy when I believe I see someone starting to lecture, and I tend to do it myself. That's part of my capacity for being a dick.
     
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    In the 1970s a friend turned me onto David Bowie: Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. My dad and I conflicted on many levels, as a coping mechanism the song Starman appeared within the realm of my consciousness. 2nd verse:
    There's a Starman waiting in the sky
    He'd like to come and meet us
    But he thinks he'd blow our mind
    There a Starman waiting in the sky
    He told us not to blow it
    Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
    He told me

    Let the children lose it
    Let the children use it
    Let all the children boogie.

    The mind is a wonderful place to visit
     
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