The Art of War vs. The Art of War

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Common sense will tell you that he who funds an enemy to no longer be an enemy might be a ummm ... quasi ok strategy. Uncommon sense will show you that an enemy who becomes a friend is no longer an enemy.

    The art of war ...

    What happens when there are no enemies left?

    What happens when you keep enemies?

    The art of war ...

    What happens when common sense tells you there are no enemies?

    What happens when uncommon sense shows you that enemies exist and always will?

    The art of war ...

    When common sense tells you we've established everlasting peace and all weapons have been discarded do you think that might be an umm ... ok strategy?

    When uncommon sense shows you that all is peaceful and shows you how it will always remain peaceful, then demands that the weapons remain, yet insist that they never be used until they must ... How about that strategy ... yeah ...

    The art of war ...
     
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    I had a similar contemplation yesterday, when I saw a meme describing the cost of the rocket the Drone and warfare in general. What if that money was used to feed the insurgents living on a dollar a day?
     
  3. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    It has been tried in the past, and more often than not, it comes back to bite us on the buttocks. The act of attempting to make friends of enemies by buying the friendship. I'm thinking 1 Corinthians 13 could possible and more than likely apply. Like coins falling to the ground having no value whatso ever, clang clang clang clang clang …..
     
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    Tried? When? The US has been at war our whole lives..

    Like warned us and now we sit with more spending than the next how many countries? And our companies supply war machines and weaponry to past and future enemies?
     
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    Exactly … we supply a rebel force that is armed to overthrow a government in chaos, then those who take over power become an enemy to us also. That's what I was alluding to. Paying people to be our friends doesn't work. Hell, we could offer ourselves to be martyred and unless it was done with an all encompassing care, then that too is futile and means nothing. The point is you don't gain friends from buying them, you earn them by truly caring.
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Love your neighbors, love your enemies ... which is to say, in a way that shows not only that you care about them, but remain true to that all encompassing kind of care also. Of course there will always be a sort of favoritism in play, those we're closer to, those we're around more often, those who have touched our lives in such a way that it compels us to favor them over those we don't know as much about. Even so, it isn't difficult to be kind to others, even those we may disagree with in how they live.
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    I prefer what and who I prefer, and the same is true for everyone else too. Some like woman, others like men, others like both. I like woman, who tend to like guys and other woman too, but then when personality meets the mark, when appearance does her part, and when those combine and she's nothing but fine, then that's when I get my win, whether guys and woman or only guys, when that mark is met I can't deny, as long as she is as in to me as I am into her.

    Favoritism … It's how things are. The question becomes who and how many if any and when … ?
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    In a spiritual war, Who we are is in the front and our tail gunners are watching our backs … our guardian angels (we always have two). Things operate as usual, but we need an awareness, an abc's and 123's of the how to's to utilize what we have at out disposal.

    Life can grab us by our yayoo's and yank em till there blue (kinda). It's nuts I know, but it's true. I've discovered that when push comes to shove, we must shove back but not always like most people view a shove to be.

    Say I'm hungry and life is making my life difficult … worry less and eat healthier and smarter, to help you gain what you need. If life is making us sad, find some shit that'll help reverse the sadness until you find your rock steady.

    That's what cupid does. He helps us center ourselves in undefinable ways, because it's different for all of us. His only job in life is to center his own target.

    Self discovery 101 son ...

    Anyway, the same is true for all of us. That's where it all begins. Knowing what we need for ourselves to center our own target, and pursuing it with everything in us. Things my father said … Well it's true.

    As life changes around us, and the better we become able to center our targets in life (they tend not to just stand still) we somehow find ourselves in position to realize our dreams, dreams we never even knew or realized we had.

    They knew … they always do, and when we need it most, they're there for us, not just looking out as guardians do, but in very real and extremely meaningful, extraordinarily personal ways.

    So, to get a few win wins under our "belts" we gotta lean on # 1 … "our rock steadies" … Hell, it's all one. Life I mean … We just need to realize the need to aim for the center, and once we learn how to … keep centering it as life changes before our eyes.

    Ok, my body is telling me something, but what could it be? I'm going out for a burger … I'm getting a little hungry.
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    I like to smile too and laugh - laughing's always fun ...

    Yeaaahhh!!!

    How about that for the art of war ??
     
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    They gather on the battle field to fight
    In the distance a shot rings out
    They start fighting but their enemies are resting easy in their beds

    How's that for the art of war yeahhh!!!!
     
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    Better the Art of Peace?
     
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    I guess peace is better than war, but some are so he'll bent that peace becomes little more than a far away dream or maybe a hope for after death. Peace is better. Too many want to force rule though. It's a power play either way. One about about self control the other about controlling others.
     
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    I read the art of war as the art of peace.

    Of course I read it like I read the stories in the Bible, or Gita...

    With each entity being part of my psyche, battling, debating, healing, or working together to create that which come out of my mouth or into my thoughts.
     
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    I've reading it myself, and thought I'd do a parody of sorts here. I think the battle is within ourselves, and somehow manifests in life also. Even when I laugh and smile there seems to be contention because of. Aside from being emotionless and nin expressive I'm not sure the battle will end, but then if I do that my life wanes to the point of non existence.
     
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    The true meaning of jihad.
     
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    The overcoming of self
     
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    Worship Athena, not Ares.

    In the mythology of ancient Greece, the cleverest immortal of them all was the goddess Metis. To prevent her from outwitting and destroying him, Zeus married her, then swallowed her whole, hoping to incorporate her wisdom in the process.

    But Metis was pregnant with Zeus’s child, the goddess Athena, who was subsequently born from his forehead. As befitting her lineage, she was blessed with the craftiness of Metis and the warrior mentality of Zeus. She was deemed by the Greeks to be the goddess of strategic warfare, her favorite mortal and acolyte being the crafty Odysseus.

    Ares was the god of war in its direct and brutal form. The Greeks despised Ares and worshipped Athena, who always fought with the utmost intelligence and subtlety.

    Your interest in war is not the violence, the brutality, the waste of lives and resources, but the rationality and pragmatism it forces on us and the ideal of winning without bloodshed.

    The Ares figures of the world are actually quite stupid and easily misled. Using the wisdom of Athena, your goal is to turn the violence and aggression of such types against them, making their brutality the cause of their downfall. Like Athena, you are always one step ahead, making your moves more indirect.

    Your goal is to blend philosophy and war, wisdom and battle, into an unbeatable blend.

    --33 strategies of war, robert greene.

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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    I like Athena.

    Do you know whose face is depicted on her shield?
     
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    I believe that is Medusa’s face.
     
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