Perfect is as all things are

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  1. KnowSelf

    KnowSelf Active Member

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    Perfect as opposed to perfection thereby attaining the highest level of what is perfect.

    Is the world perfect? Yes, in the time and space of existence? What about crime, war and sickness? Whatever is or could be remains perfect unto its nature.

    When we long for a perfect world, I don't think we have intelligence or resources to determine what that might be like.

    Suppose a loved one dies, is the world perfect or not? Maybe death is a way to replenish world for survival and continuation of the species.

    Why suffering? Don't know, but suffering has a purpose like everything else that occurs.

    The all things associated, you and me, and my two dogs are perfect in the space and time of existence.

    What is if I make a mistake, well dear friend you and many like us make perfect mistakes. You just can't beat perfect mistake.
     
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    Love it.

    I agree. This last 9 months I have broken my left wrist followed by breaking my left ankle. Some people say I have bad karma (or similar) but I always say..."No these breakages are perfect".

    Mind you, I am in no way recommending breaking "An arm and a leg" to experience perfection.
    Being can be enough.
     
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    The problem I have with your definition of perfect is that when something is perfect you cannot improve upon it. I think everyone can improve upon themselves, most situations can be improved which makes them imperfect.. no?
     
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    GOD ?
     
  6. OrtaYol

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    What about God?
     
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    Is God perfect and cannot be improved upon?
     
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    We will have to ask her mother
     
  9. KnowSelf

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    hypothetically asking Mary is as clear as asking God Himself, Does God disclose?
     
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    Why can't we be perfect in each time of being. I'm not talking about comparison improvement over a period of time. By living moment by moment in that particular slot of time we are as perfect as that situation allows us to be. We fail to understand this because we compare past experience with the present.

    From one moment in time to another life exist perfectly
     
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    So there is no point in your life which you could of handled better? All those moments are less than perfect. If we were all "as perfect as that situation allows us to be" don't you think we would be living in a better world?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    You can't put a primary student into university. There is a ladder. The moments are perfect for what my soul needs at the time?
     
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    In any and every given moment, the potential for perfection is there.

    Can it be realised? Contextually, yes, we can do 'just the right thing' at 'just the right time' ... but

    But because the world is finite, and because our horizons are infinite, we can never be perfect, because we are not the means by which perfect is determined ...
     
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    To state that requires knowing every possible mode of being in every moment, and that's impossible, so the best we can do is hope we're in the right place, doing the right thing.
     
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    A great way to justify any behaviour. Perhaps the rapist needed to rape to develop his soul and his victim needed to be raped to develop hers? She should be grateful and he should be commended if that is the case.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Again, how do you know?

    It's not about this world. Obviously this world is not perfect. It never will be perfect. It is a learning place for the soul.

    Perhaps there is some point in life where a person turns around from the things of this world and looks for something else. Whatever ...
     
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    how do I know that there are better ways than rape to improve a soul? Just a hunch I guess.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Don't be silly. You know that's not what I mean.

    Perhaps the rapist gets locked up and raped himself, then starts to question? Perhaps the victim goes on to become a rape counsellor who saves others from living a destroyed life? There is no way of knowing the eventual 'soul' outcome.

    It's not what the thread intends, imo.
     
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    It's not?

    Cos it sounds like you are saying every moment we experience is what is best for us, it also kinda sounds like you are describing determinism, one results in all our actions ,being good and the other results in none of our actions mattering, both of which result in any behaviour being justifiable.

    I hope I am not offending you.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Why does God allow evil in the world? How can the flea on the dog know why does the dog wag its tail?

    All I know is:

    Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
    In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
    (Proverbs 3:5-7)
     
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