1 Cor. 3.18

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  1. KnowSelf

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    Let no man deceive himself, if any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.


    Any thoughts on what this Bible verse means?
     
  2. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Spiritual pride? Holier than thou? The one who teaches/preaches/makes long speeches?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    The Unperceived World Of Thought
    "We are accustomed to perceiving and responding primarily to gross manifestations that can be picked up by the senses. For the most part we remain unaware of the subtle forces around us. Yet every thought we think sets up a particular subtle vibration.

    Do you know that because of this you can't hide from others what you really are? If you have done wrong, you know it. Even though you think you may be hiding it, the consciousness of having done wrong is present in your thoughts.

    People will find you out, because those thought vibrations will be reflected in some way in your behaviour. The same of course is true of good thoughts. When you mentally utter the word “God,” and keep on repeating that thought within, it sets up a vibration that invokes the presence of God.”

    Yogananda Paramahansa
    First Self-Realization Fellowship Temple
    Encitas, California, August 28 1938
    'The Divine Romance'
    Volume 2

    Sorry, I just read that and thought it was worth sharing, in relation to nothing much ...
     
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  4. wil

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    Are you looking to find out what a Bible verse means by itself? Not in context with the verse before it or the verse after it? Not looking at who the author is and who the author is writing to?
     
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    It is saying that we are all fools. This is what the wise of all times and ages have come to know. The Jester, The Fool. This is the first levels of cosmic consciousness. First level of realization of what the world is. The person who laughs at the cosmic joke is wise indeed.
     
  6. KnowSelf

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    If you want to know
    My apologies dear friend for assuming any interested party would make an effort to look up the bible passage rather than complain
     
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    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    A not unreasonable inquiry seeking clarification responded to with a dismissive put down. How adult of you.
     
  8. KnowSelf

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    I cannot determine if your statement is praise or sarcasm, if sarcasm I bow before you in jest. If otherwise you choose
     
  9. wil

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    Lol, I looked it up, I read the passages above and below...hence the three questions in the inquiry for clarification.

    But if asking a question is regarded as complaining...this is the kind of church I don't participate.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Paul
    The Corinthians
    What do you think it means, by the way?
    What do you think the passage means?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Most of the Beatitudes are not worldly wise: Blessed are the poor, the hungry, the meek, etc?

    "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight."
    1 Corinthians 3:19
     
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    As an overview, this is Paul with his 'angry' hat on, dealing with political infighting within the Corinth community.
     
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    Worldly issues...wise fools...lol prosperity gospel notions...

    Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, whether... life or death or the present or the future..—all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
     
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    Wil I am a hypocrite and did you a great disservice as a representative Christian faith. I am a hypocrite because I did not have patience to provide a. detail description of the presented scripture. Thank you for my discourse and hopefully I will consider my actions more thoroughly before jumping to conclusions.

    I agree all things are ours, but in today's society the things we have are only ours by default.
     
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    Lol, there are many (off including myself) that would Not refer to me as a Christian. I like Christ, I like the Bible, but me and many Christians often disagree.
     
  16. Courage

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    This happens in reality all the times. The wise on earth think that humans need evidence to get to a truth. But in reality humans only need faith to get to a truth, even in terms of science. That's how 99% humans who know for a fact that black holes exist don't actually have the evidence. To simply put they don't rely on evidence to get to such a piece of truth. It's only the very limited number of scientists who studied black holes have the direct evidence. The rest of humans have faith (in the testimonies of the scientists). At least the majority don't need evidence, they already know the fact long before any evidence being presented.

    The wise are fools to think otherwise.
     
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    A fool who knows his foolishness is wise at least to that extent, but a fool who thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.
     
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    It's difficult to know if you're a fool.. even if you are NOT a fool o_O
     
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    I think it's pretty much the same as Plato's Socrates. "I know that I know nothing".
     
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    As has been noted above by others, context is needed.

    Some background.

    Paul had previously lived in Corinth for a time and preached there. He had received word that there was now division among the community in Corinth about social standing issues and rightful practices but also about theological issues. The crucifixion of Jesus was a problem for some of the community. How could it be that the Messiah could get himself killed instead of bringing the promised new age?

    Paul argues that it is not wisdom that will lead to salvation but acceptance of Christ. The crucifixion is the saving sacrifice, as Paul argues often in his letters. It is the means whereby the power of God provides salvation.

    1 Corinthians 1
    17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

    18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    19 For it is written,
    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

    20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

    1 Corinthians 2
    1 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.


    This is the context in which Paul in 1 Corinthians 3 refers to the wisdom of the world being folly. It is faith that is the key.

    1 Corinthians 3
    18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours


    Of course, the crucifixion by itself is ‘a stumbling block’ and ‘a folly’. The resurrection is the payoff, the guarantee of the promise that death is not the end, that there will be a resurrection of the faithful. As it turned out, there also were serious doubts about this among some of the Corinthians. Paul addresses that aspect at length in 1 Corinthians 15. But that is another topic.
     
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