what is God's purpose?

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  1. KnowSelf

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    God as I understand Him to be self-sustained, self-sufficient without need of anything. So what is God's purpose outside of recruiting His kingdom that in time will battle the dark forces that oppose the light of truth and good?

    However God as I understand Him to be is capable of defeating sin and darkness on His own merit because He is God.


    Why involve humans on the battle field of good and evil when God can restore the world to its former state at anytime?

    Perhaps God wants reassurance that sin does not enter into the world by choosing the inhabitants of the new world from those who are forgiven and redeemed from sin?

    Can you imagine life without pain and discourse? What will we do with ourselves without challenges and tension, how will we grow and learn? Will any of these things be important in another lifetime?

    Will overachievers live in harmony with slackers? Whatever, it.s not supposed matter anymore.
     
  2. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    @KnowSelf -

    Of course, the possibility exists hat your understanding of G-d is flawed.
     
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  3. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls Staff Member

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    God, the Most High, is of an infinite nature. I wouldn't want to destroy my soul trying to "solve" such a question.
    However, on a simple level, why do teachers set exams for their pupils?
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    The battle field is how a cycle of alternating generations of sporophytes and gametophytes looks like for plants planted in well-tilled ethical fields. Our conscience is the sacrificial smoke rising from a burnt offering made of the diploid phase. The ground grows fertile with the ashes of previous generations. Our minds are ergot among the grains, yielding alkaloids that drive insane those birds who would feast upon the seeds fallen on hard ground, causing them to utter inspired croaks and honks to the pollinating winds.

    There are other answers to your question, but maybe you will like this one :)
     
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  5. KnowSelf

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    Excellent point and may I say the of you I don't know and I assume other people may or may not know. Either way here we are discussing God because in some fashion of spiritual understand we are looking for answers or perhaps we are the answers to the questions we think we know
     
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    I do not question God, my questions and statements are designed to create thoughtful reaction and further questioning. As far me know all of the answers, ha ha
     
  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Why was a class necessary?
    Why were souls created, you say that you have one (I don't)?
     
  8. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls Staff Member

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    You ask why was a class necessary?
    Well .. most schools serve a purpose, I would have thought. Maybe, to learn something? :)

    You ask why were souls created?
    Well .. how do we know where souls come from?
    Given that G-d is of infinite nature, it follows that souls aren't necessarily created at all.
    ..perhaps they just "are".
    in which case, if they are not created, they are not "destroyed" either.
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    What I meant was why did Allah created the universe? What was his need to do so?
    You have no proof for existence of Allah, you have no proof of existence of souls. What proof is there for the nature of God or souls? Just because someone said so or it was written in a book? Nothing follows anything unless you have some proof.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls Staff Member

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    I have no proof.
    I personally can't make sense of my existence without some "higher purpose"
    The existence of G-d solves that issue, and numerous prophets and scriptures confirm it.
    Am I being duped? It doesn't feel that way .. quite the opposite, actually.
    I wouldn't want to go back to the darkness I experienced before finding the Oneness of G-d.

    It is about authority .. it is about "who says what" and whether it is true.
    I judge by that which God, the Most High, has revealed .. what I believe He revealed.
    It all fits nicely together in "the jigsaw" with no loose ends.
     
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  11. KnowSelf

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    True, to my knowledge there is no hard evidence of souls, the Holy Spirit or ghosts, however, God is real to me for the miracle of health He gave to me. Sometimes destitution is the way to understand faith.

    Explain; who is nothing follows anything, are you referring to yourself?
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    That's how I understand it.

    Always suspect of the 'spiritual warfare' kinda thing, to me, where there is light there is no darkness, but the more important aspect is summed up in Psalm 8, verse 5:
    What is man that thou art mindful of him?

    I'd say so.

    Because it's in the nature of this particular creation.

    It's good, but it's not perfect, nor can it ever be, as it's finite, contingent, etc.

    But where there is the idea of freedom, then freedom's final frontier, if you like, is the freedom to refuse or defy the will of God. The freedom to reject God. Therein lies evil.

    W-e-l-l ... God's in no need of reassurance?

    But none of things are inherently evil?

    LOL
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Short answer: If we knew the answer to that one ... and yet ... don't we?
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Psychology, can't accept your insignificance. Billions come, and billions go.
    The prophets said it for their own benefit otherwise they would not have been remembered as prophets, and the scripture writers completed the job.
    Feel whatever. The sun shines on the atheists equally warmly and so does the rain.
    Authority! I pity the authority which rules without an iota of proof and the people who are duped by that.
    There is no God to reveal anything. The jigsaw fits equally well for me without any God.
    I have seen destitution. I was poor and later could save some money. Health and illness are part of living.
    Nothing follows if you accept a false premise. It does not prove anything.

    How come your God created something which was not perfect, when he could have done so. Rejection of God has not made me a demon. I am my same self caring about my family, caring about my society, caring about my country.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls Staff Member

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    You think that G-d does not exist .. I don't know what "jigsaw" you refer to..
    I was referring to what the prophets taught, and how they confirm each other.

    As far as I can see, you have no jigsaw. If there is none responsible for existence,
    it is all without plan [ i.e. chaos ], and hence futile
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Well, from my perspective, I am responsible for what I do with my existence, I can make plans, and Chaos to me is a source of possibilities. I find I can put my life time to good use even after the lack of any gods became evident to me.
     
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    Perhaps He has done so. It would be a different cosmos to this one. Why create this one, because He can. This one is good, and perhaps will be perfected, but 'good' is as perfect as anything can be in a finite and contingent cosmos.

    No, it has not. That was my poor phrasing. Evil is defined specifically within a given paradigm.

    Having said that, evil can be seen to exist, or be attributed to someone, even in humanist terms. Its doing something that is contrary to what one knows to be good.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    I don't know. A lot of atheists seem a bit ticked off with God for not existing to their specification, lol.

    God doesn't dance to satisfy anyone's curiosity. God isn't bound to have to prove himself to anyone. But when there's nowhere else to turn, and a person has to put aside their ego because there's only God left -- then God will be there.

    And that's the only proof needed.
     
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  19. KnowSelf

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    Again I pose the question why do people hate God? Do you believe God is at fault for the way you view life? Freedom is choosing what to believe
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    My jigsaw mainly concerns two things. creation of the universe and evolution of life. Though science does not have exact answers but its answers have more evidence than 'Goddidit'.
    The Big Bang came about due to Quantum fluctuation (just as 'virtual particles' do) and evolution came about due to self-forming Macro-molecules.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perturbation_theory_(quantum_mechanics), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_self-assembly#Supramolecular_systems.
    As for the so-called prophets, each one has tried to take advantage of what his predecessor said. Christianity on the Jewish prophets and later Islam, Bahais, Ahmadiyyas and so many others. Each has claimed to fulfill the prophecy of the earlier so-called prophet. It is one untruth that has been carried on by all others in Abrahamic religions. That is how they confirm each other.
     
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