Corona and you!

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    So what's up?

    I so wanted to name this thread "my corona" like the song...but was afraid people would first freak and then give me he'll for causing them to freak!

    But yo! How is it going?

    Our stats are still climbing. Nursing homes are taking the brunt of it, half the deaths or more from everywhere I've seen data (USA). States that didn't put out shelter in place orders getting hit harder, and states which have opened some on the increase, yet over a third are relaxing rules this week. 2 weeks from now we'll know how prudent that was.

    Lost a couple I know and one degree of separation that increases tenfold. (Probably higher).

    Stay safe you guys. I need you to keep me on the path as I bounce my level of insanity off ya!
     
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  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Thanks, and you stay safe as well!

    Over here in Germany, the rate of new infections has been decreasing steadily during April, and there is now a lot of talk and excitement about lifting some of the restrictions of the lock-down. Schools will re-open in a limited way, shops too, restaurants are opening for take-away at least, and so on - at the price of being required to wear a face mask in public. Social life is picking up ever so slightly.

    There will probably be changes in legislation to enforce vaccination in general, away from the laissez-faire way it has been handled in the past. I think this is a good thing. The regular mini-epidemics of measles and other avoidable diseases every year were a disgrace for a country that prides itself for being highly developed.

    Yesterday, May first, was when we traditionally celebrate Labor Day in Germany. It was the first ever time that there were no rallies, no street festival, only the grim sound of a helicopter in the sky and the occasional siren in the distance, as the cops were rounding up a few fearless/reckless protesters. That was a very strange May First for Berlin.

    So far, no deaths in my circles, but unemployment struck us heavily, left and right. Even within Germany's relatively good social security system and labor legislation, there are a lot of people working precarious jobs, which naturally were the first to go.
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Good on ya! We don't have one state with 2 weeks of reduced infections yet....but still folks wanna open it up....the past two weekends of gps monitoring have shown more people out and about and gathering...
     
  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Not good. Seventh week of lock-down. 27,557 active cases, 1,323 dead, don't know what future holds for us. But it could have been worse. India trying to get its people home from other countries (chiefly Gulf, numbers in hundreds of thousands, scores of naval ships have been readied for that), bring back migrant workers (and students) in the country to their home places (again, the numbers in hundreds of thousands). Trying to provide money and food to hundreds of millions of people. With a population of 1380 million, all problems in India are huge as compared to other places in the world.
     
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  5. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai

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    We're doing well as are our neighbors. Traffic's been light around here ever since the shut down, but the weather was pretty nice today and the road in front of our house looked more like a typical Saturday than a state of emergency. Even had a local motorcycle club pass by. 50 plus Harley Chopper caravan thundering on by! Biker bar not far from us, guess they were open...
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    The environment is extra-clean, never has been that in our life-time. AQI, less than 50. The weather (untimely rains) also help. The Himalayas can be seen from 200 kms away (Jalandhar, Saharanpur) in all their majesty.

    [​IMG] Dhauladhar (The White Range) [​IMG] Trishul 7,120 m, on the right Nandadevi 7,816 m. Himalayas jpg.png
     
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  7. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Spectacular pictures!
     
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    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Ditto!
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    The speed our earth (mother nature) heals is incredible. At this moment who can deny climate change is man made?
     
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  11. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Industry and commerce starts from today in a phased manner.
     
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  13. wil

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    Yes my local roads definitely have more traffic, it has been amazing, I have to look both ways before using crosswalks again.

    Those that track gps signals claim a huge uptick in movement of cell phones past two weekends and there is a rumor on Chinese under reporting, that there are over 20 million cell phones that have gone silent....
     
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  14. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Wow!
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Ok. I checked that up and it is probably not because all those people died:

    https://apnews.com/afs:Content:8717250566

    CLAIM: Drop in cellphone users in China is proof that the coronavirus has killed 21 million in the country, far more than the official count.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The decline in cellphone users is not linked to the number of people who died after being infected with coronavirus. Major cellphone carriers in China attributed the drop to people with multiple phone numbers canceling some service during the outbreak.

    THE FACTS: Major cellphone carriers in China reported a loss of nearly 21 million subscriptions in January and February as the virus spread in the country.

    More than 81,500 cases of the virus and about 3,300 deaths have been confirmed in China since the outbreak was first reported in the city of Wuhan in December, the AP has reported.

    According to online data published by China’s three largest cell phone carriers, subscriptions dropped a total of 20.65 million in January and February: China Mobile Ltd. reported a drop of nearly 7.25 million subscribers in the two-month period, while China Unicom Hong Kong Ltd. lost 7.8 million subscribers and China Telecom Corp. lost 5.6 million in February alone.

    A number of false reports misinterpreting the data have emerged on social media, with claims that the figures are connected to the number of people who died from the virus.

    “Is China hiding the real COVID-19 death toll? 21 million phones vanish,” read one headline.

    Another video post about the report was falsely titled “BREAKING: WUHAN SUPER VIRUS KILLED 21 MILLION PEOPLE IN CHINA ACCORDING TO CELL PHONE RECORDS.”

    A representative with China Mobile Ltd. said while the situation was related to the COVID-19 outbreak, it was not related to deaths, but changes in lifestyle.

    "It was mainly due to reduced business and social activities resulting from the COVID-19 outbreak,” a spokesperson with the company confirmed to the AP. “Many customers in China have multiple SIM cards and it is common that they use their non-primary SIM cards to do these activities.”

    A China Unicom representative acknowledged the difficult market forces at work: “For the first two months of 2020, while facing challenges such as market saturation, keen market competition and the novel coronavirus outbreak, the company upheld self-discipline on rational and orderly competition.”
    etc...

    From the same article:

    "Here’s more information on Facebook’s fact-checking program: https://www.facebook.com/help/1952307158131536
     
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  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Thanx, still bottom line w with the number of deaths in US vs China either we've done horribly bad (yes I know we have) and they've done incredibly good (lions share of deaths in one area) or they quit reporting deaths a month ago.
     
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  17. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Well, probably. One has to compare US deaths to the size of the population, which is about the whole of Europe combined. The only reasonable figure to read is as a percentage of population, imo?
     
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  18. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    This is a good and fair article by a reliable news organization. It is quite long, but very enlightening, imo:
    https://www.newsweek.com/controvers...may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503

    Imo everyone needs to understand what the article is saying: It wasn't hush-hush bio warfare research. It was open internationally funded disease research.

    But it was controversial, and the doubts proved right. Of course it's unlikely China will allow transparent investigation.

    Also this is a very good 2 hour film concerning the truth about the China/US buildup. It's long but fair and extremely informative, imo. Sad too. It doesn't try to whitewash over China's problems:

     
  19. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Relaxation after 40 days of lock-down in India resulted in liquor lines all over India, some reputed to be 3 kilometer long. :D
    In Delhi, liquor price was hiked 70% to milk the people (dry).

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  20. Thomas

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    Ours seem to be levelling off ... but so far we're set to be 2nd to Italy and 3rd globally in the number of deaths.

    Yep. Medical staff in the front line, ill-equipped for a pandemic. Care homes, too.

    I can sympathise with yourselves. The backers of the Conservative Party are mostly big corporate, and at a recent meeting there was almost unanimous demand to 'get the country back to work', to ease restrictions even though the UK was very late in setting them.

    Same.

    And you.
     

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