Atheist Mysticism

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Cino, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. stranger

    stranger lost in the night

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    I had to sleep on this one, but woke up very early this morning and wrote this, for better or worse:

    My most powerful experience of it happened some years back but that certainly changed both my life and my outlook on religion and love forever. Attempting to leave out as much religious language as I can here, I learned that when the need is great and the circumstances call for it, love might flow powerfully through even the most unlikely of creatures to another, and vice versa.

    Difficult to explain or describe, I would call it deeply sacrificial in nature, an exquisite pain, a compelling passion which puts the other above it at all costs. If the other is deep in darkness, it will go deeper, if in pain, it will suffer more. There is no bottom to it.

    In the "flow" if you will, it is like the love is not yours but it is yours at the same time. You cannot turn it on or off like a light switch, it does not perform on demand. The source is a free agent and will not be commanded or for that matter, hindered. It can put a tremendous strain on the body, but you don't mind. Nothing is too costly, you don't want it to stop.

    When the time comes for it to end (and it will come) it will feel like you just stopped living. There is no recognition in the eyes of men, no reward. Forget it. At best you will just be regarded as weird and depressed. Someone might come along to pick you up, seemingly by spiritual appointment. This happened to me, and I am grateful to that person. Gradually things return to something like normal, but now you know you are not fully alive. You know what can be, and now nothing else will do.

    The little moments come, seemingly too far apart, the fleeting glimpses of love, the open doors which you will now walk through without hesitation. This is the extent of your free will, to move as doors open for you. You are now being compressed into that action which is actionless. A prisoner of sorts, but a willing one. You wouldn't have it any other way. To stray from it now brings swift reproval.

    That brief "knowing" of love changes your outlook on everything. The depth of what flowed through you makes you question things. There are veils that protect against the savage power of pure love, and that is a mercy for now. You see the veils, you accept them instead of working against them.

    Some hopelessly scattered thoughts on what (I think) love has revealed to me up to now.
     
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  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    Thank you, that was very clear and deep. You have a gift to express this stuff, @stranger! Are you not perhaps lost in the light (rather than the night), to refer to your tagline?

    (Divine/True) Will vs free will, that is one of the struggles, yes, I recognize it.

    (Self)-sacrifice, yes!

    Longing for the return, the removal of the veils: yes! And yes to the protective functions. A tought: do the veils protect our impurities? Are the impurities what makes us individuals?
     
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  3. stranger

    stranger lost in the night

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    Cino, thank you.

    You might be on to something with the veils...
    If you have any further thoughts on the impurities and veils please feel free to share, I'd be interested.
     
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  4. ScholarlySeeker

    ScholarlySeeker Active Member

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    In some ways, everyone are atheists, just atheists of others' God. When we really think of it, we absolutely all are going to hell, someone else's hell for not accepting their religion. Lol......You aren't Baptist? See ya there in hell amigo! Oh... you aren't Seventh Day Adventis? Then you will be thrust into hell, etc.

    There are myriads of interpretations of God that i simply don't and cannot accept, but does that make an atheist or just a difference of understanding about an interpretation from a human view?

    Cino said
    To my mind, you have it upside down. Some have a desire towards the divine. Some of them may find God and are awed and inspired. Others, like me, find No God, and are awed and inspired. So I would agree that this is not dependent on the Divine.

    Yes, I think Einstein basically had it this way. And actually if the starry night sky does not awe you or the photos of the space telescope, I think you need to be concerned with your psychology. Cino appears to have Einstein's stance. Now Einstein did mention the word God a lot, sure, but it has nothing to do with the Christian interpretation. He said his was Spinoza's God, but Spinoza was definitely not religious, but was more of an "awe"-some man (get it? Come on, that was good.....)

    Awe, I would agree with Cino that awe is not dependent on God. Atheists obviously have awe, I mean Dawkins and Biology can be used as proof on that. No one appears more in awe of biology than Dawkins.

    Good discussion here.
     
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  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I know what you mean, but that is just people's opinion. Suffering is very real in this world, and "going to hell" is not dependent on false dogma. Most people don't want to be incarcerated in this life, but nevertheless, many people are. It is people's behaviour that let them down.

    Exactly..
    We can all be philosophical. It is possible to be a Jew but deny the existence of "a personal god", for example.
    i.e. disagreeing with people being "chosen" on the grounds of their ethnicity
     
  6. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    It's awfully kind and inclusive of you to pull me in like this. But I think we can both be inclusively human and differ on this point.
     
  7. ScholarlySeeker

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    I cannot possibly find any good or valid reason for disagreeing with you....GRIN!
     

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