Arian Christology

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  1. Tone Bristow-Stagg

    Tone Bristow-Stagg Active Member

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    I see It is as simple as we choose to make it and see it all, that is my black and white thinking.

    I am not asking you to do anything, I made it clear from the start that all I can and will do is offer thoughts from the Baha'i Writings, to give people a chance to see the world in a different way.

    Faith has been around since man can remember and history has been uncovered.

    It is in this day when we have global communications, that I see God has given the tools to cope with the required change. We know what all other Faiths have offered, they have been round for 1000's of years, they all promise a great day of peace where we will be one people.

    That to me is the simplicity, all we need is to embrace our oneness.

    Regards Tony
     
  2. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Yes, but the Baha'i writings are numerous and far from easy to read? Can you boil it down and present it in a reasonable few words? That's what I'm trying to say?
     
  3. ScholarlySeeker

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    I think I understand where you are coming from my friend. And yet, we can honestly say your wise words of any established religion on the planet could we not? All exoteric religions (churches), -isms, have creeds, that is, statements of doctrines or ideas they want all their group to follow. I agree also that a majority does not equate to truth of a majority belief. "Socrates showed a long time ago what a hollow thing consensus is," to quote a religious historian I read from time to time.
     
  4. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    You have hit upon what is actually offered in the Baha'i Writings.

    Baha'u'llah offered the Most Great Peace, but it was turned down. Baha'u'llah then said it is up to humanuty to bring about the Lesser Peace, and this is when he gave the prerequisites that the lesser peace foundations would need to be built upon.

    This will be all done by many that do not know of what was offerd by Baha'u'llah, but the key will be acceptance that we are one human race that Ned to work together to stop the destruction of our species, other life and our planet.

    You have also identified why past faiths have lost the ability to achieve this goal, they have imploded, forgetful of what the Messenger offered. My logical brain is perplexed at why difference if faith means war and bloodshed.

    It is all about greedy men wanting domination over the masses and the age of dominating greedy men is now slowly being terminated.

    Hang on, the ride continues and the all the while I see the answer is so simple. We are one people on one planet and all faiths teach do unto others as you would want them to do unto you.

    So let's try peace for a while, if it does not work we can go back to war. Peace will require the majority to stand up against the world dominated by a few.

    Regards Tony
     
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  5. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Yes .. but we don't have to follow anything that we find suspicious.
    One has to look at how a creed has been declared or evolved.
    Nobody is forced to follow a creed of an empire or organised religion .. not in their own minds, that is.
    How a majority treat the minority is another issue.
    Clearly there is a power in numbers, and God knows who treats others unfairly.
     
  6. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    All I can offer is what the Bab and Baha'u'llah offered, which to me that is what all Mesengers and all Faiths offered.

    We are here to know and Love God. That knowledge means we are here to serve each other, to bring about an ever evolving humanity based in virtue and morality. To be born again from flesh into the Spirit.

    There is a book called the Hidden Words that contains 154 short meditations, half were given in Arabic and half in Persian and this is what Baha'u'llah has said this about it;

    "HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES

    THIS is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of divine virtue."

    So this book contains the Essence of all past scriptures and the Word given by God. If this is the case anyone of any faith should be able to read any one of them and see that it sheds the light given in their chosen faith.


    It contains both passages of reward and passages of the resulting punishment.

    Regards Tony
     
  7. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    I think it's about power (money being power). Any theology could be put to this use. The Roman imperial cult had a similar function before the advent of Christianity.

    Imagine the amount of power available at the top of a unified political/religious hierarchy, such as the Baha'i revelation envisions, or as the various empires-with-a-state religion had, Christian Rome, the Caliphates, or the various European colonial empires which spread their religions.

    This is why I don't think getting everyone to believe the same way is a viable way towards more peace on this planet.
     
  8. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    But what? What is descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might? Of what had the inner essence been taken and clothed it in a garment of brevity -- NOT -- as a token of grace unto the righteous ...?

    What does that passage actually say? Who is really going to read through all those words ?
     
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  9. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    Neither of these two are members of this forum, however. But: you are! I'm vastly more interested in reading your own thoughts than quotes of theirs, to be perfectly frank. You have much more to offer than repeating what other men said.

    I can call up many Baha'i writings and read them, on the internet. My completely soul-less computer can recite any text in a variety of pleasant voices. This is not what I come here for, however.

    Let's not make this forum a clone of the Internet Sacred Texts Archive.
     
  10. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    How do you see Christ? Those words resonate with my Soul as they are talking about the Holy Spirit, the Word of God that has come from all Messengers the Word that was Jesus in the Station of Christ.

    I see the passage is self explanatory. Pick up the Bible and pick up the Hidden Words. All you can get spiritually from the Bible is contained in the Hidden Words.

    "... We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity..."

    What a magnificent way to say the Essence of the Bible is condensed into this book,the Hidden Words.

    Regards Tony
     
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  11. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    The problems with past Faiths is that people make their opinion known over what is actually written.

    When one quotes, all get to read what was written.

    I am nobody, it is that Word that makes us who we are.

    Regards Tony
     
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  12. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    I can understand why somebody would think like that.
    I, personally, don't think we can have peace until "the real Jesus" i.e. the Messiah returns.
    That is because we are weak and arrogant. We all think we know it all :)

    The Messiah will be a unifying force .. an authority .. until then, we have to carry on as usual :(
     
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  13. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    Some wait, some do not. :D;);):D

    Regards Tony
     
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  14. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    You know, this book *is* quite nicely written, @RJM Corbet. Very different in style from other Baha'i texts.
     
  15. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Sorry .. Jesus isn't Persian or Indian :)
     
  16. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    Christ is not defined in human terms.

    There is no nation, or gender, or predudices in Christ.

    Regards Tony
     
  17. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Yeah, well .. mental wards have been full of people claiming to be Jesus over the years.

    I have to agree with @ScholarlySeeker "Jesus should come back AS Jesus and identify himself as such".
    How many "Christ's" are there? :)
     
  18. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    That is like asking how many sun's are there, so in our mental capabilities, Christ is unlimited.

    Regards Tony
     
  19. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Yes. I do like your posts but I find some of them rather long. You have a good skill in writing essays.
    I'm pretty hopeless .. always have been :)
    I'm more a maths and science man, but have become more interested in history generally as of late.
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Yeah, he was certainly not of Indian extraction. :)
     

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